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We are now on act.

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Oh.

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I'll second I.

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So.

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24 introduction then so welcome
to our first session of

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researching and writing place
and context.

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And this week, we're going to be
focusing on life writing,

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specifically the rather loose
umbrella term of travel writing

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and.

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It's kind of interesting
relative psychogeography.

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What have we mean by that? We'll
have a little discussion about

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that later on.

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I'm can everyone hear me OK?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm. I'm conscious by
voice system, a little bit weak

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Yeah.

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at the moment, getting then
good. OK.

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So.

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I want to begin actually by just
thinking about writing place and

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context in more general way. And
So what we're doing in creative

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writing, in our material, we're
always looking for the dramatic

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potential, the the stories, the
narrative shape.

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And you could say that place and
context, and that the natural

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physical characteristics embody
all kinds of of.

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This sort of attributes of of
tension and change and conflict

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and challenge and
transformation.

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66 just really simple examples.
I mean just walking closer and

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closer to the horizon, things
coming in view. That's

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inherently dramatic. If you
think about liminal spaces,

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borders.

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Kinds of.

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Transitional places no man's
land and and the things that's

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been off from that, like the act
of trespass of, of crossing into

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an exclusion zone, then drama.
And the story is inherent in

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that to or just simple contrasts
between example being under the

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Earth or in a wide open space,
the contrast between.

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I have on a mountain under the
sea and and a lot of this is to

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do with actually moving through
space and through the physical

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reactions and challenges that we
have because we're we're

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embodied and we're encountering
place through our senses.

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And.

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Also the I think these these
dramatic characteristics can

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become wonderful metaphors for
the human experiences and human

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emotions corollaries of of like
happening on the human plane.

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So I think it's it's good to
think about space and place

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strategically in terms of how
can I make it perform in a piece

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of writing, what, what drama or
narrative can I draw from it?

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How can I stage?

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And that will make it the stage
for some kind of famine.

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And then took human experience
and make it actors.

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A metaphor, an echo of what's
going on internally.

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And I think also the other
really important thing to say

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about place is that because
we're always seeing it through

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the lens of our own minds, it's
always going to be invested

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with, with memories. And what we
know of it's history or combined

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out of its history and with our
own feelings and relationships

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to a place.

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And again, this visa different
levels to draw on and exploit.

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Exploring your writing.

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In fact, what I'd like to do
just to start and and to get you

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warmed up, is I'd like you all
to make a list of about.

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Six or seven different places.

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That you feel have some kind of
narrative or dramatic.

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Characteristic about them or
potential.

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Doesn't have to be. It could be
something micro or city and

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area, region, geographical
feature. It could be very small

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like.

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Behind the sofa or a Burrow in
the ground, and but anything

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that you feel that could be?

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Has narrative potential and
drama. OK, so I'm going to give

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you 5 minutes to do that and
then we'll compare notes.

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Bit of a chat.

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OK. So starting from that.

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My laptop cut a little bit
there.

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So who is that?

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Oh.

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Hello.

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Sorry, raz. Can you hear me?

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It's actually idea. It's that
Claire.

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My laptop out a little bit there
at the very start of what you

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said.

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All right. OK.

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So we we list places.

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Make a list of about six or
seven places that you feel have

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some kind of.

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Drama about them all dramatic
narrative potential. And they

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could be on macroscale. There
could be very small places.

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I can ice house the back of the
sofa.

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A region and the edge of the
sea, anything like that. And

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then we'll compare notes.

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Did you get that non?

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It might be freezing.

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I think it's cut out for her
again. She's frozen. Maybe if

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Ah.

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you can put it in the chat.

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Yeah, that's a good idea.

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OK.

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Hopefully not. Wanna see that.

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Which?

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Oh.

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OK, one more minute.

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OK. And you just bring that to a
close?

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You see what you've come up
with?

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OK.

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Have we gotten on?

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You should have.

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Right. All right. You'd like to
kick off.

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OK. No particular order. Let's
start with you, Joe, Joe

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Griffiths, sorry. We've got two
day Jones.

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What?

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I'm sorry it was.

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Oh.

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Harriett character bookie years
the Goblin stone on the top of

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the hill near here.

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The garden.

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Garden.

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The kitchen? Yeah, the garden.

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So for private answer like
space.

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So that isn't it.

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The kitchen, which is sort of
the heart of the home. Early for

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me.

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The beach because remember that
'cause? We took the kids there

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the other day.

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And some by the river, the river
Tybee down the road.

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Like a A, A an office, you know,
place of place of work.

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I'm the I'm a shop, you know,
like a big supermarket. So

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that's quite busy. So they're
all sort of different spaces.

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Yep.

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OK, right, lovely.

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Umm.

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So I think.

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Yeah, very contrasting.

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Umm, which which one of those.
If you were going to.

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Umm, so the kitchen, what is it
about the kitchen that suggests

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Yeah.

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stories to you?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1071-0
00:12:49.736 --> 00:12:51.106
Some kind of drama.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1084-0
00:12:51.106 --> 00:12:54.925
Suggest Ohh suggest through.
Well a lot of trauma happens in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1084-1
00:12:54.925 --> 00:12:55.676
the kitchen.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1131-0
00:12:57.256 --> 00:13:01.448
You know, children running and
out, you know, setting things on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1096-0
00:12:57.306 --> 00:12:58.446
You should seek drama, but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1131-1
00:13:01.448 --> 00:13:05.247
fire and you know, perhaps
perhaps you'd get a flood. You

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1131-2
00:13:05.247 --> 00:13:09.111
know, the the, the pipes, the
pipes could leap the washing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1131-3
00:13:09.111 --> 00:13:12.386
machine, you know, banging
against the fridge or.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1141-0
00:13:13.306 --> 00:13:15.296
You know, there's there's all
sorts of like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1150-0
00:13:15.986 --> 00:13:18.166
Family drama that goes on in the
kitchen.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1159-0
00:13:22.286 --> 00:13:23.416
Ohh that was a big noise.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1166-0
00:13:23.036 --> 00:13:25.206
Feedback from somewhere? Not
sure where that is, sorry.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1176-0
00:13:26.136 --> 00:13:29.356
Yes, yes, actually. So is the
site of of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1209-0
00:13:30.196 --> 00:13:34.471
All kinds of domestic tensions
and encounters, I suppose,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1209-1
00:13:34.471 --> 00:13:38.819
which, you know, things coming
to the boil and things that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1209-2
00:13:38.819 --> 00:13:43.316
might come, might catch fire
that are being left in a moment

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1209-3
00:13:43.316 --> 00:13:44.716
of inattention and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1214-0
00:13:47.406 --> 00:13:48.576
Lot of fun.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1249-0
00:13:52.126 --> 00:13:55.866
Ohh chance and play there and
exits and entrances of course.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1249-1
00:13:55.866 --> 00:13:59.545
Who comes into a space. Who
leaves it and why? What happens

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1249-2
00:13:59.545 --> 00:14:03.286
when they leave it? And that's
another thing to think about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1316-0
00:14:04.096 --> 00:14:08.241
I think the kitchen over time is
a is an interesting one and I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1316-1
00:14:08.241 --> 00:14:12.452
think of my kitchen. I've got a
flagstone floor and I know that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1316-2
00:14:12.452 --> 00:14:16.728
we laid it when I was six months
pregnant with my first son, and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1316-3
00:14:16.728 --> 00:14:21.071
I remember pacing there when the
second one was six weeks old and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1316-4
00:14:21.071 --> 00:14:24.689
then you remember them going
round and round on little

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1316-5
00:14:24.689 --> 00:14:28.768
scooters and things and then
they're cooking their own stuff.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1316-6
00:14:28.768 --> 00:14:31.466
So it's been the backdrop to so
much of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1350-0
00:14:31.866 --> 00:14:35.636
Sort of family life and change
and things. And and I think

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1350-1
00:14:35.636 --> 00:14:39.407
that's probably I've wrote
kitchen as well for that reason

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1350-2
00:14:39.407 --> 00:14:43.561
that it's just a it's a constant
and then you are the drama kind

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1350-3
00:14:43.561 --> 00:14:44.136
of thing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1389-0
00:14:45.496 --> 00:14:49.544
Yes, that that's good. That's
thinking about a place as as a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1389-1
00:14:49.544 --> 00:14:53.857
kind of structuring element. And
I'm like you say something that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1389-2
00:14:53.857 --> 00:14:57.905
can change through time but
provides a constant. So it could

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1389-3
00:14:57.905 --> 00:15:00.626
be really good linking theme in
a piece.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1388-0
00:15:01.096 --> 00:15:01.406
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1396-0
00:15:03.326 --> 00:15:05.436
Any other comments on Joe's
list?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1413-0
00:15:06.306 --> 00:15:10.736
And what kind of went with the
other kitchen sink?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1409-0
00:15:07.976 --> 00:15:09.066
Pretty much the same as.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1437-0
00:15:14.036 --> 00:15:18.523
Sorry, sorry. You said was that
you, Joe? Joe toft? Yeah. Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1428-0
00:15:17.106 --> 00:15:18.256
Yeah, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1437-1
00:15:18.523 --> 00:15:20.276
Sorry. Yeah. So it again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1453-0
00:15:19.646 --> 00:15:23.016
Yeah, I can't wait till in the
kitchen set sink during the kind

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1453-1
00:15:23.016 --> 00:15:25.596
of the washing up the old the
old fashioned way.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1454-0
00:15:26.576 --> 00:15:26.836
Yep.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1468-0
00:15:27.396 --> 00:15:31.376
And just that kind of hands
immersed in bubbles and kind of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1482-0
00:15:32.266 --> 00:15:36.159
It's somewhere I find always end
following up conversations and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1482-1
00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:36.706
you like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1497-0
00:15:37.936 --> 00:15:40.578
Kinda rejoining a train of
thought while I'm doing the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1497-1
00:15:40.578 --> 00:15:41.106
washing up.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1506-0
00:15:43.166 --> 00:15:46.636
Ah, that's lovely that idea of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1505-0
00:15:46.216 --> 00:15:46.626
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1516-0
00:15:48.266 --> 00:15:51.756
Slipping in and out of an action
and and your mind.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1515-0
00:15:50.906 --> 00:15:51.376
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1526-0
00:15:52.866 --> 00:15:56.780
Traveling somewhere else while
you're you're actually rooted in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1526-1
00:15:56.780 --> 00:15:57.086
this.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1537-0
00:15:57.836 --> 00:16:01.156
In this rather have investment
activity.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1531-0
00:15:58.926 --> 00:15:59.236
Good.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1569-0
00:16:01.706 --> 00:16:04.872
It's almost like when you have
those thoughts you can use

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1569-1
00:16:04.872 --> 00:16:08.312
unscramble things when you're in
the bath or you got that kind

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1569-2
00:16:08.312 --> 00:16:11.533
of. It's like kind of micro
point of piece with your hand,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1569-3
00:16:11.533 --> 00:16:13.116
just your hands in the water.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1571-0
00:16:14.906 --> 00:16:15.116
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1579-0
00:16:15.506 --> 00:16:16.696
That's yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1580-0
00:16:16.306 --> 00:16:17.426
It's quite meditative.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1585-0
00:16:18.076 --> 00:16:18.606
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1588-0
00:16:18.116 --> 00:16:20.226
That's from the testing, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1610-0
00:16:21.126 --> 00:16:25.025
Again, that comes back to
interacting with space with our

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1610-1
00:16:25.025 --> 00:16:28.386
bodies and how that links with
mind and memories.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1601-0
00:16:25.516 --> 00:16:25.866
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1613-0
00:16:30.506 --> 00:16:30.896
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1620-0
00:16:30.666 --> 00:16:33.996
Thank you. Let's say someone
else's list then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1623-0
00:16:35.876 --> 00:16:36.836
Sarah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1626-0
00:16:40.216 --> 00:16:40.906
I had.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1697-0
00:16:41.676 --> 00:16:45.873
I've only done 3 because I was
writing about the wise, but I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1697-1
00:16:45.873 --> 00:16:50.001
had the top well. It's not
places, it's buildings in the in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1697-2
00:16:50.001 --> 00:16:53.991
Swansea town centre. It just
seems like it's a dead place

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1697-3
00:16:53.991 --> 00:16:57.982
now. People are always like
talking rubbish about it that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1697-4
00:16:57.982 --> 00:17:02.316
it's dead. The shops have gone,
but when you look up on top of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1697-5
00:17:02.316 --> 00:17:06.789
the buildings, they're all like
late 1800s, nineteen, ten, 1920s

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1697-6
00:17:06.789 --> 00:17:10.917
and like me and my mother, we
always there's one particular

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1697-7
00:17:10.917 --> 00:17:11.536
shop and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1777-0
00:17:11.646 --> 00:17:15.290
You can see the old drips and
they're all like mosquiton and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1777-1
00:17:15.290 --> 00:17:19.114
like it makes it takes you back
to, like, I don't like Art Deco

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1777-2
00:17:19.114 --> 00:17:22.579
1920s, like dance halls,
cigarette smoke, like the ladies

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1777-3
00:17:22.579 --> 00:17:25.985
with the plastic cigarette
things. And you can just see,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1777-4
00:17:25.985 --> 00:17:29.629
like, it just takes me back
there and would love to explore.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1777-5
00:17:29.629 --> 00:17:33.274
And in those buildings. But you
never can, obviously. So all

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1777-6
00:17:33.274 --> 00:17:36.858
that kind of thing. And then the
other one for me is again,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1777-7
00:17:36.858 --> 00:17:39.726
Swansea, there's a road called
Saint Helens Rd.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1800-0
00:17:41.636 --> 00:17:45.243
And it's like all exotic shops
like Pakistani Indian Arab

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1800-1
00:17:45.243 --> 00:17:48.789
shops. So they sell all the
spices and like, meat, halal

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1800-2
00:17:48.789 --> 00:17:49.846
meat and whatnot.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-0
00:17:52.176 --> 00:17:55.837
So it's like culture conflict,
things like that, down that road

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-1
00:17:55.837 --> 00:17:59.326
again is another one. People
talk rubbish about it, like ohh

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-2
00:17:59.326 --> 00:18:02.930
these people. Yeah. But so just
people doing their job, living

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-3
00:18:02.930 --> 00:18:06.305
their lives. And when you go
down there, it can if you let

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-4
00:18:06.305 --> 00:18:09.852
yourself, you can be like you
can figure out. I don't know it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-5
00:18:09.852 --> 00:18:12.712
doesn't transport because
obviously I'm not being

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-6
00:18:12.712 --> 00:18:16.258
somewhere but you can imagine
them being in their country and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-7
00:18:16.258 --> 00:18:19.691
and stuff like that and then the
other one was lines behind

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1884-8
00:18:19.691 --> 00:18:20.606
people's houses.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1890-0
00:18:20.846 --> 00:18:22.546
Like my mother's, it's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-0
00:18:24.166 --> 00:18:27.191
Two rows of terraces, but
there's a line that goes in the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-1
00:18:27.191 --> 00:18:30.529
middle and it's back-to-back all
the way, so there's a big line

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-2
00:18:30.529 --> 00:18:33.867
and you'll see people doing like
the laundry. And they're like,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-3
00:18:33.867 --> 00:18:37.048
hi. Hi. Have you heard about
this? When have you heard about

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-4
00:18:37.048 --> 00:18:40.439
that one? And they're all, like,
higher, but they all collecting

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-5
00:18:40.439 --> 00:18:43.620
information to go and tell this
one and that one and chitter

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-6
00:18:43.620 --> 00:18:46.854
chatter and everybody does it.
We all do, you know. But yeah,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-7
00:18:46.854 --> 00:18:50.192
it just reminds me of it's the
lane is quiet. If if it was just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-8
00:18:50.192 --> 00:18:53.321
a line, it would it would be
dead. But because of the backs

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1988-9
00:18:53.321 --> 00:18:55.616
of the houses and everybody
coming out and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/1994-0
00:18:56.406 --> 00:18:57.746
It's just the hustle and bustle.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2013-0
00:18:58.936 --> 00:19:01.633
Even though it wouldn't be if it
wasn't for for the houses, it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2013-1
00:19:01.633 --> 00:19:04.201
would just be a deadline. So
yeah, those are the three that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2013-2
00:19:04.201 --> 00:19:04.886
came to my mind.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2023-0
00:19:06.276 --> 00:19:09.566
Lovely. I love this idea of
villainess as.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2049-0
00:19:09.806 --> 00:19:13.872
Umm, actually the point, the
place of of lots and lots of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2049-1
00:19:13.872 --> 00:19:16.536
human stories intersect and and
then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2050-0
00:19:14.956 --> 00:19:17.446
Yeah, because the back-to-back,
you know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2071-0
00:19:18.606 --> 00:19:23.017
Yeah, takes me back to my
grandparents. Both of them well

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2071-1
00:19:23.017 --> 00:19:27.656
lived in Brymill. So there's a
lot of terraces and we lanes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2067-0
00:19:25.956 --> 00:19:26.386
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2073-0
00:19:28.766 --> 00:19:29.206
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2078-0
00:19:30.676 --> 00:19:31.216
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2084-0
00:19:30.856 --> 00:19:33.186
Like spaces for kids to play in
as well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2138-0
00:19:33.386 --> 00:19:36.441
Funny you should say about
brymill in our other class I was

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2138-1
00:19:36.441 --> 00:19:39.599
writing about brymill and when
we were children and the trees

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2138-2
00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.756
you would see. And because we
were from like one when Mayhill

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2110-0
00:19:40.056 --> 00:19:40.666
Song.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2138-3
00:19:42.756 --> 00:19:45.964
Town Hill, that was really posh
to us. We were going to like a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2138-4
00:19:45.964 --> 00:19:49.071
rich place. We really thought
ohh my uncle's rich, you know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2138-5
00:19:49.071 --> 00:19:51.006
And yeah, bring milk, funnily
enough.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2142-0
00:19:52.566 --> 00:19:53.616
Speak to build on that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2144-0
00:19:54.036 --> 00:19:54.526
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2148-0
00:19:58.306 --> 00:19:59.676
So those only three I had.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2152-0
00:20:00.016 --> 00:20:01.556
That's brilliant. Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-0
00:20:08.326 --> 00:20:12.336
Right. OK. So carrying on from
the lanes thing, I was thinking

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-1
00:20:12.336 --> 00:20:16.219
about in towns and cities where
there are gaps between where

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-2
00:20:16.219 --> 00:20:20.038
buildings have been knocked down
and other things built and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-3
00:20:20.038 --> 00:20:24.176
change over time. I think that's
one of those things that for me

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-4
00:20:24.176 --> 00:20:28.186
because I moved to Wales as an
adult and the towns that I know

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-5
00:20:28.186 --> 00:20:31.814
now, I I've learned some of
those. But there's the thing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-6
00:20:31.814 --> 00:20:35.761
about when you're a child and
where you know every single cut

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-7
00:20:35.761 --> 00:20:39.835
through and every single garden,
you can go across and all that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2235-8
00:20:39.835 --> 00:20:40.726
kind of thing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2245-0
00:20:40.926 --> 00:20:43.446
I think that's quite special.
It's quite difficult to recreate

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2245-1
00:20:43.446 --> 00:20:44.286
when you're an adult.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2247-0
00:20:44.596 --> 00:20:44.966
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-0
00:20:46.196 --> 00:20:49.648
Disused. Barnes, we've got a a
barn next door to us that's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-1
00:20:49.648 --> 00:20:53.218
never been converted. And the
the sort of creepy thing about

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-2
00:20:53.218 --> 00:20:57.080
it. It's it's a lovely building.
Everyone goes in it and looks at

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-3
00:20:57.080 --> 00:21:00.591
it, and they're used to be
things in there and we never see

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-4
00:21:00.591 --> 00:21:03.926
people like coming up and
stealing stuff. But that stuff

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-5
00:21:03.926 --> 00:21:07.378
has gone over the years, so
there's a there's a life going

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-6
00:21:07.378 --> 00:21:10.304
on and there's activity
happening that we have no

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-7
00:21:10.304 --> 00:21:13.873
awareness of, even though it's
right next door to us and and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2332-8
00:21:13.873 --> 00:21:15.746
you, you never see anyone there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2367-0
00:21:16.436 --> 00:21:19.870
And I think generally the, the
the sort of the things that have

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2367-1
00:21:19.870 --> 00:21:22.982
undergone change like disused
hospitals, everyone loves a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2367-2
00:21:22.982 --> 00:21:26.040
disused hospital, don't they? I
live relatively close to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2367-3
00:21:26.040 --> 00:21:28.186
Talgarth, which is the very
famous one.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2370-0
00:21:28.806 --> 00:21:30.736
And and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2397-0
00:21:32.176 --> 00:21:35.821
The spaces between like behind
shops and things where you're

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2397-1
00:21:35.821 --> 00:21:38.928
there at a time when you
shouldn't normally be like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2397-2
00:21:38.928 --> 00:21:41.856
hospitals at night or shops when
they're closed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2406-0
00:21:42.596 --> 00:21:45.946
I was on the Carmarthen campus
on Saturday.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2444-0
00:21:46.536 --> 00:21:50.129
Umm. And there was one school
class going on somewhere, some

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2444-1
00:21:50.129 --> 00:21:53.841
drama group, but generally the
buildings were quite empty. And

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2444-2
00:21:53.841 --> 00:21:57.552
there's that sort of eeriness
and the slight forbidden feeling

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2444-3
00:21:57.552 --> 00:21:58.966
of of when you're there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2492-0
00:22:00.136 --> 00:22:03.059
Umm, so anything that's
abandoned and then sort of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2492-1
00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:06.785
within nature hollow trees where
again it's that thing where you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2492-2
00:22:06.785 --> 00:22:10.224
think you know a space and
you're the only person who knows

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2492-3
00:22:10.224 --> 00:22:13.548
it and then you find a crisp
packet there one day and you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2492-4
00:22:13.548 --> 00:22:15.726
realize that you're not the only
one.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2487-0
00:22:13.826 --> 00:22:14.136
Hmm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2529-0
00:22:17.186 --> 00:22:20.784
And thinking back to childhood,
kind of, when you're in in the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2529-1
00:22:20.784 --> 00:22:24.211
shrubbery shrubbery, when you're
concealed behind trees and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2529-2
00:22:24.211 --> 00:22:27.752
tucked away, and you only just
need one little space, and you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2529-3
00:22:27.752 --> 00:22:31.122
can go and sit in there, it's
quiet and still and get away

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2529-4
00:22:31.122 --> 00:22:32.036
from everything.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2536-0
00:22:33.236 --> 00:22:35.056
I guess that was my list.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2545-0
00:22:35.866 --> 00:22:38.736
Ah, wonderful. That really rich
ideas there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2550-0
00:22:39.896 --> 00:22:41.416
I love this idea of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2558-0
00:22:42.526 --> 00:22:46.118
Of transgression of we're going
to place it when you shouldn't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2558-1
00:22:46.118 --> 00:22:46.346
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2576-0
00:22:48.176 --> 00:22:52.090
And we'll talk about
psychogeography later. But that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2576-1
00:22:52.090 --> 00:22:56.816
kind of links to that idea of of
going against the sort of the.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2602-0
00:22:58.246 --> 00:23:01.386
The grain of behaviour that's
imposed on us of how it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2602-1
00:23:01.386 --> 00:23:04.976
supposed to be in this space and
of coming off, or do much more

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2602-2
00:23:04.976 --> 00:23:06.546
personal and individual and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2608-0
00:23:07.326 --> 00:23:08.496
Even the secret way.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-0
00:23:09.306 --> 00:23:12.389
And it's also quite interesting
that that can be kind of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2613-0
00:23:09.556 --> 00:23:09.926
It's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-1
00:23:12.389 --> 00:23:15.959
manufactured because there's the
Talgarth hospital which has been

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-2
00:23:15.959 --> 00:23:19.204
empty for years and years and
years and is genuinely spooky

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-3
00:23:19.204 --> 00:23:22.503
and all that kind of thing. But
there's a place just outside

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-4
00:23:22.503 --> 00:23:26.019
Huddersfield, a hotel that's now
become one of these places that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-5
00:23:26.019 --> 00:23:29.372
people go and they break in at
night and take photos and live

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-6
00:23:29.372 --> 00:23:32.239
stream themselves and
everything. And I used to stay

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-7
00:23:32.239 --> 00:23:35.538
there for work. It just went
bust. You know, there's nothing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-8
00:23:35.538 --> 00:23:38.946
sinister at all. It just went
bust, got locked up and has been

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2703-9
00:23:38.946 --> 00:23:39.216
left.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-0
00:23:39.336 --> 00:23:42.498
But now you can go online and
it's kind of the tables are

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-1
00:23:42.498 --> 00:23:45.933
still set for breakfast. It's
like, well, it was a hotel. That

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-2
00:23:45.933 --> 00:23:49.368
was really what they did, you
know, but people are now finding

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-3
00:23:49.368 --> 00:23:52.421
a sinister mist that really
isn't there. You know, it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-4
00:23:52.421 --> 00:23:55.583
quite a modern building and
everything, but it's a people

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-5
00:23:55.583 --> 00:23:59.018
kind of manufacture it because
we like that kind of thing. And

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-6
00:23:59.018 --> 00:24:01.962
we like to think that we're
perhaps we're we're being

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-7
00:24:01.962 --> 00:24:05.179
transgressive when we're just
being slightly irritating at

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2774-8
00:24:05.179 --> 00:24:05.506
times.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2794-0
00:24:09.416 --> 00:24:13.337
Curiosity has a lot to do with
it, but curiosity is a huge

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2794-1
00:24:13.337 --> 00:24:15.796
motivator of how we relate to
space.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2797-0
00:24:18.096 --> 00:24:18.646
Trouble.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2808-0
00:24:19.636 --> 00:24:22.976
And he any other comments on
this list?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2845-0
00:24:29.456 --> 00:24:33.308
It's interesting about the the
kind of the the breaking in and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2845-1
00:24:33.308 --> 00:24:37.098
finding something a bit. Ooh,
spooky. When it actually isn't,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2845-2
00:24:37.098 --> 00:24:40.400
it's just all. It's all in your
head or it's just for

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2845-3
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:41.256
entertainment.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2857-0
00:24:42.236 --> 00:24:45.146
Right in your own story, your
own narrative and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2856-0
00:24:45.296 --> 00:24:45.836
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2883-0
00:24:46.626 --> 00:24:49.751
And I like the crisp packet as
well, like I'm the only one. The

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2883-1
00:24:49.751 --> 00:24:52.681
server being here, but ohh
there's a crisp packet. Yeah, it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2883-2
00:24:52.681 --> 00:24:54.536
brings you back to reality, you
know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2911-0
00:24:56.376 --> 00:24:59.332
But in in that sense, it's
almost a little bit creepy

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2911-1
00:24:59.332 --> 00:25:02.725
because you thought you were
like you had the space yourself.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2911-2
00:25:02.725 --> 00:25:05.626
And also there's been an
interlocal. Ohh who's that?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2907-0
00:25:02.876 --> 00:25:03.536
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2915-0
00:25:08.706 --> 00:25:09.686
Yeah. And and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2929-0
00:25:10.736 --> 00:25:13.596
Exactly. There's somebody sort
of shapes of stories in that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2933-0
00:25:13.676 --> 00:25:13.906
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2934-0
00:25:14.066 --> 00:25:15.236
Yeah, just send one up.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2936-0
00:25:21.796 --> 00:25:22.236
What?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2940-0
00:25:27.016 --> 00:25:27.796
But I'm listening.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2942-0
00:25:28.316 --> 00:25:28.836
Hi.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2954-0
00:25:30.606 --> 00:25:33.796
But none were you able to make a
list. Oh good.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2955-0
00:25:32.306 --> 00:25:34.556
Yes. Can you hear me now?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2968-0
00:25:34.666 --> 00:25:35.976
You can he wear.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2966-0
00:25:34.926 --> 00:25:35.616
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2964-0
00:25:35.426 --> 00:25:35.666
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2985-0
00:25:35.706 --> 00:25:38.721
OK, brilliant. I'm at my parents
in laws and I think the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2985-1
00:25:38.721 --> 00:25:41.366
connection in the room I was in
wasn't brilliant.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2980-0
00:25:39.306 --> 00:25:40.196
Ohh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/2995-0
00:25:42.566 --> 00:25:45.196
But I think it's a bit better in
here, so that's good.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3006-0
00:25:47.396 --> 00:25:50.046
Did you want me to read my list?
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3005-0
00:25:49.726 --> 00:25:50.236
Let's see.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3008-0
00:25:50.406 --> 00:25:50.726
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3016-0
00:25:50.896 --> 00:25:55.436
And so I put my side of the bed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3027-0
00:25:56.696 --> 00:26:02.766
And I put my car and outside the
front door.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3033-0
00:26:04.396 --> 00:26:06.636
Uh my children's bedrooms.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3044-0
00:26:07.346 --> 00:26:11.706
And UM, the space in front of
the cooker in the kitchen.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3051-0
00:26:13.026 --> 00:26:15.016
And those were the ones that I.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3054-0
00:26:15.816 --> 00:26:16.986
Had on my list.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3057-0
00:26:18.676 --> 00:26:19.386
Staying.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3073-0
00:26:21.026 --> 00:26:24.184
How would you how if if you
write about your side of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3073-1
00:26:24.184 --> 00:26:26.456
bed, what would you follow up
with that?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3079-0
00:26:27.136 --> 00:26:28.896
I would you take the narrative,
do you think?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3087-0
00:26:30.466 --> 00:26:33.076
I think it was interesting what
you said about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3092-0
00:26:33.856 --> 00:26:37.006
Boundaries and and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3101-0
00:26:37.846 --> 00:26:40.466
I just think it's really
interesting that I, you know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3119-0
00:26:41.166 --> 00:26:44.177
I don't know if this is true of
everyone, but I do have a side

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3119-1
00:26:44.177 --> 00:26:46.376
of the bed which is just kind of
quite funny.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3144-0
00:26:47.896 --> 00:26:51.653
But you know just, I guess just
looking at why and the fact that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3144-1
00:26:51.653 --> 00:26:55.006
it's constantly invaded like I,
you know constantly have.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3182-0
00:26:55.826 --> 00:27:00.385
Kids everywhere and you know, my
sons will still come in and he's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3182-1
00:27:00.385 --> 00:27:04.806
10 now and you know, it's sort
of really long and massive. And,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3182-2
00:27:04.806 --> 00:27:09.297
you know, there's always a foot
in the face. And so I think it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3182-3
00:27:09.297 --> 00:27:13.234
that idea of trying to preserve
yourself some space, but

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3182-4
00:27:13.234 --> 00:27:13.856
actually.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3185-0
00:27:14.646 --> 00:27:15.626
That's often.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3217-0
00:27:16.356 --> 00:27:19.589
You know, taken from you and
it's not always a bad thing. UM.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3217-1
00:27:19.589 --> 00:27:22.822
So, yeah, I guess I was just
looking at that idea. And I just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3217-2
00:27:22.822 --> 00:27:26.003
thought it was interesting that
I do have a side of the bed,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3217-3
00:27:26.003 --> 00:27:27.046
which is just funny.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3222-0
00:27:28.656 --> 00:27:29.716
Yeah, I think a lot of people.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3225-0
00:27:31.276 --> 00:27:31.926
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3229-0
00:27:35.216 --> 00:27:36.366
It's interesting because.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3323-0
00:27:37.866 --> 00:27:41.747
My I obviously I I think a lot
of us have our side of the bed,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3323-1
00:27:41.747 --> 00:27:45.443
but I've I was about a month
ago. I was thinking hang on in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3323-2
00:27:45.443 --> 00:27:49.263
my house, my sides on the left
and when we go to my partners,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3323-3
00:27:49.263 --> 00:27:53.083
my side on the right and at all
costs, I say to and I have to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3277-0
00:27:52.256 --> 00:27:52.756
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3323-4
00:27:53.083 --> 00:27:56.841
collect and I go to bed later
than him. He's he just goes to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3323-5
00:27:56.841 --> 00:28:00.475
sleep about 11 and I have to
climb over him to get because

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3323-6
00:28:00.475 --> 00:28:04.110
it's against the wall and he
would prefer me to claim over

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3323-7
00:28:04.110 --> 00:28:06.636
him and I'm not small. He'd
prefer that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3376-0
00:28:06.716 --> 00:28:10.114
I'm just swap his side of the
bed and it got me thinking like,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3333-0
00:28:09.486 --> 00:28:09.906
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3376-1
00:28:10.114 --> 00:28:13.135
you know, like you said,
boundaries. This is mine. This

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3376-2
00:28:13.135 --> 00:28:16.426
belongs to me at all costs, you
know. And he doesn't. And if

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3350-0
00:28:14.646 --> 00:28:15.096
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3376-3
00:28:16.426 --> 00:28:19.932
somebody crawled over me when I
was sleeping, I'd go mad. I said

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3376-4
00:28:19.932 --> 00:28:23.276
no, I'm not, you know? But he
doesn't mind. Be enough as long

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3367-0
00:28:20.826 --> 00:28:21.196
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3371-0
00:28:22.116 --> 00:28:22.576
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3376-5
00:28:23.276 --> 00:28:25.326
as it's his side of the bed.
Strange.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3399-0
00:28:26.656 --> 00:28:31.026
Yeah, I guess it's that idea of
territory even within a very

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3415-0
00:28:30.076 --> 00:28:33.459
Yeah. And at the end of the day,
when you you, you've given

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3399-1
00:28:31.026 --> 00:28:31.886
basic thing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3407-0
00:28:32.646 --> 00:28:33.586
Domestic.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3415-1
00:28:33.459 --> 00:28:36.166
everything to everybody. At
least that's, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3413-0
00:28:34.876 --> 00:28:35.316
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3431-0
00:28:37.446 --> 00:28:40.124
Put crumbs in your side of the
bed, but don't put them on my

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3430-0
00:28:40.046 --> 00:28:40.546
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3431-1
00:28:40.124 --> 00:28:41.266
side of the bed, you know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3443-0
00:28:42.906 --> 00:28:45.362
No, I'm the one that's more
likely to put crumbs. He'd go

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3443-1
00:28:45.362 --> 00:28:45.616
crazy.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3470-0
00:28:49.576 --> 00:28:52.701
Yeah, I do have a side of the
bed, but it has changed because

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3470-1
00:28:52.701 --> 00:28:55.473
my husband's an uncle
firefighter, so he always has to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3470-2
00:28:55.473 --> 00:28:58.396
be able to get out and I will
not have him crawl over me.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3513-0
00:28:59.596 --> 00:29:03.299
So so it it does change from
time to time, but there is a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3513-1
00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:07.193
thing that if I go in during the
day and I think I'll have a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3513-2
00:29:07.193 --> 00:29:11.215
little lie down and read, I go
on his side. It's it's like ohh

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3513-3
00:29:11.215 --> 00:29:11.726
now I'm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3512-0
00:29:11.306 --> 00:29:11.796
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3541-0
00:29:15.606 --> 00:29:18.688
I always encourage the cat to
sleep on his side, especially if

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3519-0
00:29:15.776 --> 00:29:16.416
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3541-1
00:29:18.688 --> 00:29:21.673
it looks like it might have fur
balls or anything like that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3541-2
00:29:21.673 --> 00:29:22.896
Like, yeah, there you go.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3598-0
00:29:26.716 --> 00:29:30.349
I think there's a lot of a lot
of story potential in that,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3548-0
00:29:26.796 --> 00:29:27.266
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3598-1
00:29:30.349 --> 00:29:34.105
doesn't it? Imagining what it
would like to be the person on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3571-0
00:29:33.276 --> 00:29:33.736
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3598-2
00:29:34.105 --> 00:29:38.169
the other side, and what happens
if you if you transgress and you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3583-0
00:29:37.056 --> 00:29:37.526
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3598-3
00:29:38.169 --> 00:29:42.048
know what are the trigger points
and then what's what's behind

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3598-4
00:29:42.048 --> 00:29:44.326
whatever the trigger points
trigger?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3599-0
00:29:44.646 --> 00:29:45.176
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3605-0
00:29:45.696 --> 00:29:46.156
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3645-0
00:29:45.766 --> 00:29:49.714
What if you swap over and
started to turn into each other?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3645-1
00:29:49.714 --> 00:29:53.663
If you started displaying each
other's characteristics and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3623-0
00:29:49.776 --> 00:29:50.886
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3621-0
00:29:49.966 --> 00:29:50.536
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3632-0
00:29:53.226 --> 00:29:53.776
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3645-2
00:29:53.663 --> 00:29:55.336
little quirks and things?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3728-0
00:29:54.046 --> 00:29:57.162
What I've seen him in in my
house, I've seen him go. He's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3728-1
00:29:57.162 --> 00:30:00.654
gone to bed and he's ended up on
my side and I don't think move,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3728-2
00:30:00.654 --> 00:30:03.823
but I think ohh he must be
uncomfortable. Let me move him.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3728-3
00:30:03.823 --> 00:30:06.993
And I'm like well, he mustn't
be. He's gone to sleep. He's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3728-4
00:30:06.993 --> 00:30:10.216
quite happy on my side of the
bed. So just leave him alone.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3728-5
00:30:10.216 --> 00:30:13.332
But really, I'm probably
thinking of myself. But I'm like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3728-6
00:30:13.332 --> 00:30:16.716
oh he's, you know, let me move
him. I'll pick his head up like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3728-7
00:30:16.716 --> 00:30:19.456
his baby carry his head, his
drag the pillow over.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3720-0
00:30:16.866 --> 00:30:17.246
Oh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3738-0
00:30:18.496 --> 00:30:21.716
You you're very not. You're very
nice, Sarah. I'm like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3766-0
00:30:20.436 --> 00:30:23.304
No, I, you know like, but it
must be a selfish actor.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3750-0
00:30:22.466 --> 00:30:22.776
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3766-1
00:30:23.304 --> 00:30:26.650
Actually. It's it's not being
kind to my probably thinking get

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3766-2
00:30:26.650 --> 00:30:27.606
away from my side.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3769-0
00:30:29.446 --> 00:30:30.046
Crazy.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3771-0
00:30:32.216 --> 00:30:32.796
Ohh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3799-0
00:30:41.696 --> 00:30:42.166
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3801-0
00:30:42.666 --> 00:30:43.096
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3830-0
00:30:44.896 --> 00:30:50.126
How we navigated negotiate our
own boundaries and our and our

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3818-0
00:30:49.056 --> 00:30:49.596
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3830-1
00:30:50.126 --> 00:30:55.356
needs and and expanding and to
include other territories and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3859-0
00:30:56.396 --> 00:31:00.037
Other priorities of and in a way
that that is a lot of what what

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3859-1
00:31:00.037 --> 00:31:03.566
is behind travel writing, that,
that expanding, expanding your

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3859-2
00:31:03.566 --> 00:31:05.526
mind and your boundaries, I
think.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3893-0
00:31:05.936 --> 00:31:10.121
It reminds me of the the age-old
argument. You know, my kids have

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3893-1
00:31:10.121 --> 00:31:14.180
of who gets to sit in the front
of the car and also we have one

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3893-2
00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:18.112
of those corners. So first and
everybody wants the bit in the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3893-3
00:31:18.112 --> 00:31:18.556
corner.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3918-0
00:31:19.256 --> 00:31:22.754
When you watch a movie, it's
like everyone wants to sit there

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3918-1
00:31:22.754 --> 00:31:26.026
and it's like, you can't all sit
there. So those are like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3918-2
00:31:26.026 --> 00:31:29.186
domestic debates that happen all
the time in our house.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3922-0
00:31:36.566 --> 00:31:37.356
Sorry feeling.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3935-0
00:31:39.746 --> 00:31:43.596
Joe, Joe Toft. The other Joe
here you will list.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3931-0
00:31:42.216 --> 00:31:42.466
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3940-0
00:31:44.346 --> 00:31:45.856
Right then I've got.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3963-0
00:31:47.556 --> 00:31:51.682
Are you reporting plants at all?
The kind of belief mold and the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3963-1
00:31:51.682 --> 00:31:55.491
darker earth and and the things
that you find in there like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3963-2
00:31:55.491 --> 00:31:56.126
slugs and?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3979-0
00:31:57.046 --> 00:32:00.593
Slug, eggs and just and just
kind of like dig it in the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3979-1
00:32:00.593 --> 00:32:04.076
garden and like mushrooms and
all the kind of the the.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3982-0
00:32:05.416 --> 00:32:06.296
Can little.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/3989-0
00:32:07.066 --> 00:32:08.776
Micro kind of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4010-0
00:32:10.576 --> 00:32:13.809
What climate does it? What's the
word of Glasgow for? Can't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4010-1
00:32:13.809 --> 00:32:16.126
think. You just kind of been
true. Dig on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4025-0
00:32:17.136 --> 00:32:21.276
And the creatures lives, you
know, a slower pace of life, so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4029-0
00:32:22.436 --> 00:32:24.556
I could have had that and then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4062-0
00:32:25.906 --> 00:32:29.869
Seneca as we can think about
Kevin Sheet and which is

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4062-1
00:32:29.869 --> 00:32:34.347
enormously Long Beach and about
all the sand with big around

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4062-2
00:32:34.347 --> 00:32:37.136
during the shipwrecks and the
debris.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4111-0
00:32:37.866 --> 00:32:41.624
And the sound of the waves of
the seagulls and how it can be

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4111-1
00:32:41.624 --> 00:32:45.382
like this time of year, it's
it's very empty and lonely. And

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4111-2
00:32:45.382 --> 00:32:49.202
you might possibly see another
figure in the distance of mile

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4111-3
00:32:49.202 --> 00:32:53.145
away. And yet in the summer it's
it's busy, there's lifeguards,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4111-4
00:32:53.145 --> 00:32:55.856
there's trucks going up and down
the beach.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4115-0
00:32:56.606 --> 00:32:57.876
You know and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4130-0
00:32:59.206 --> 00:33:02.654
It's it goes from a very busy
place and then back back to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4130-1
00:33:02.654 --> 00:33:03.546
quite a lonely.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4146-0
00:33:04.856 --> 00:33:08.543
Desolation, with all the winds
stinging your face and and that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4146-1
00:33:08.543 --> 00:33:10.006
kind of feeling. So it's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4157-0
00:33:11.446 --> 00:33:16.176
Yeah. So have that. And also the
corner of my garden.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4165-0
00:33:17.066 --> 00:33:20.546
Behind the shed, which is kind
of private from an Evers.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4168-0
00:33:21.586 --> 00:33:22.166
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4213-0
00:33:23.426 --> 00:33:27.249
But it's kind of next to a foot
path, so you could overhear dog

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4213-1
00:33:27.249 --> 00:33:30.534
walkers, and they're they're
they don't know him there

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4213-2
00:33:30.534 --> 00:33:33.939
because you could overhear
conversations going past you,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4213-3
00:33:33.939 --> 00:33:37.643
which is quite interesting. And
then in the evening, you just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4213-4
00:33:37.643 --> 00:33:41.466
kind of just sit and look at the
stars, it's that's quite nice.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4228-0
00:33:43.516 --> 00:33:46.195
Like I've done the one about the
sick, it's just said about the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4228-1
00:33:46.195 --> 00:33:47.326
sync. Gonna washing up and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4229-0
00:33:47.856 --> 00:33:48.426
Yeah, but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4238-0
00:33:49.086 --> 00:33:52.196
Thinking about things and then
just occurred to me.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4264-0
00:33:52.276 --> 00:33:56.498
I'm shocked I used to work in in
Carmarthen, which is quite an

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4264-1
00:33:56.498 --> 00:34:00.788
old building and upstairs you've
got you've got the key and the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4264-2
00:34:00.788 --> 00:34:04.206
jewelry shop and to go
downstairs into the cellar.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4276-0
00:34:05.386 --> 00:34:09.316
It's quite another. It's quite a
different feeling, it's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4293-0
00:34:10.676 --> 00:34:13.889
Part of the old Carmarthen and
we've got you. Look at all the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4293-1
00:34:13.889 --> 00:34:16.636
old tunnels that are going up to
the jail and stuff.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4335-0
00:34:17.516 --> 00:34:21.095
And the minute you go down those
stairs steps the hairs on your

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4335-1
00:34:21.095 --> 00:34:24.339
back of your neck go up. And it
really feels like there's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4335-2
00:34:24.339 --> 00:34:27.807
somebody stood behind you the
whole time you down there. It's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4335-3
00:34:27.807 --> 00:34:31.386
not. It's not a pleasant place
to be at all. It's really scary.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4348-0
00:34:32.386 --> 00:34:35.654
So it's like a really low
ceiling and it's like shelves

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4348-1
00:34:35.654 --> 00:34:37.346
crammed with tons of of like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4383-0
00:34:38.246 --> 00:34:41.267
Stuff the style in the shop and
you can see the metal door at

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4383-1
00:34:41.267 --> 00:34:44.434
the back of the wall. That's got
shells against it, but you just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4383-2
00:34:44.434 --> 00:34:47.016
think, Oh my God, somebody could
come through there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4413-0
00:34:48.066 --> 00:34:52.016
Ohh it's it's just and you go
back up the steps and it just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4413-1
00:34:52.016 --> 00:34:56.361
feels like there somebody behind
you the whole times. It's really

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4413-2
00:34:56.361 --> 00:34:59.916
creepy and nobody likes going
down there on the road.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4418-0
00:35:02.736 --> 00:35:04.036
Right, that's quite Gothic.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4420-0
00:35:04.646 --> 00:35:05.456
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4456-0
00:35:06.786 --> 00:35:11.386
That's very very list and like
this idea of of being able to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4456-1
00:35:11.386 --> 00:35:16.212
ease drop on on conversation of
passes by, you know, but you're

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4456-2
00:35:16.212 --> 00:35:20.661
in a you're in a secret secluded
space near your near your

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4456-3
00:35:20.661 --> 00:35:23.526
partied. All these other stories
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4472-0
00:35:24.376 --> 00:35:28.256
A lot of potential in that it's
it's narrative threat.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4467-0
00:35:26.286 --> 00:35:26.866
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4497-0
00:35:29.116 --> 00:35:32.052
I think that's the only thing I
don't miss about not getting

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4497-1
00:35:32.052 --> 00:35:34.939
Buster's places. It's hearing
other people's conversations.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4497-2
00:35:34.939 --> 00:35:36.046
When he sat on the bus.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4502-0
00:35:37.246 --> 00:35:38.526
Is that was that was a good.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4522-0
00:35:39.766 --> 00:35:43.013
A good place to pick up other
people's narrative that you're

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4522-1
00:35:43.013 --> 00:35:44.716
in the snapshots of their lives.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4553-0
00:35:47.496 --> 00:35:50.379
But yeah, it's it's it's a
similar kind of thing really.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4553-1
00:35:50.379 --> 00:35:53.616
You kind of passively just kind
of sitting there like a potato,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4553-2
00:35:53.616 --> 00:35:56.448
somebody walking around talking
about the sister of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4553-3
00:35:56.448 --> 00:35:57.106
neighbour or.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4566-0
00:35:58.066 --> 00:36:00.770
The way the way people talk to
their dogs when they think

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4566-1
00:36:00.770 --> 00:36:01.936
there's nobody listening.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4572-0
00:36:04.526 --> 00:36:05.416
Which we all do.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4574-0
00:36:11.876 --> 00:36:12.476
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4586-0
00:36:13.446 --> 00:36:16.686
I have a better conversation
than my dog. That's my husband's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4586-1
00:36:16.686 --> 00:36:17.156
somedays.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4614-0
00:36:22.006 --> 00:36:26.386
It's interesting, isn't it, this
this whole idea of of being

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4614-1
00:36:26.386 --> 00:36:30.622
somewhere where you can be in
passive mode but at the same

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4614-2
00:36:30.622 --> 00:36:32.776
time very, very receptive and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4613-0
00:36:32.196 --> 00:36:32.576
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4707-0
00:36:33.556 --> 00:36:38.198
I I think that that's a very
good way of accessing space of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4707-1
00:36:38.198 --> 00:36:43.149
suspended from the sort of the
normal routines and expectations

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4707-2
00:36:43.149 --> 00:36:48.100
and space can give you access to
that kind of creative openness

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4707-3
00:36:48.100 --> 00:36:52.510
and and and why I think
travelling and travel writing is

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4707-4
00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:53.206
is about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4714-0
00:36:54.046 --> 00:36:57.636
Enabling that kind of access in
many ways and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4726-0
00:36:59.716 --> 00:37:03.023
That ***** back to the idea of
the flanner, who's been drifting

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4726-1
00:37:03.023 --> 00:37:04.056
around the city and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4734-0
00:37:06.646 --> 00:37:08.876
Speaking variations of the
senses open and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4741-0
00:37:10.106 --> 00:37:12.356
Participated but not
participating.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4750-0
00:37:20.556 --> 00:37:26.286
OK. So as we're drifting towards
paper writing, let's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4766-0
00:37:27.216 --> 00:37:30.139
Have a think about what we mean
by travel writing and I just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4766-1
00:37:30.139 --> 00:37:31.816
want to share a document with
you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4779-0
00:37:46.436 --> 00:37:48.706
Can everyone see what's up on
the screen?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4781-0
00:37:51.586 --> 00:37:52.126
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4790-0
00:37:52.466 --> 00:37:54.346
Yeah, I'll just make it a bit
bigger actually.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4793-0
00:37:55.246 --> 00:37:56.006
It's small.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4797-0
00:37:57.596 --> 00:37:58.986
Poop. Cortana fit.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4808-0
00:38:00.486 --> 00:38:03.476
She soon it, it really seems
massively.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4851-0
00:38:05.336 --> 00:38:09.868
That's a bit better. OK, so let
me just centrally travel.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4851-1
00:38:09.868 --> 00:38:14.870
Writing falls into two classes,
and so you have writing. That's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4851-2
00:38:14.870 --> 00:38:19.871
such a travel log that's tracing
a journey. And there's a goal.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4851-3
00:38:19.871 --> 00:38:23.466
There's a destination, there's a
motive. And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4875-0
00:38:24.796 --> 00:38:28.672
And there's all the bits that
happen in between all the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4875-1
00:38:28.672 --> 00:38:32.825
encounters and and the places
you pass through, and so very

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4875-2
00:38:32.825 --> 00:38:34.486
obvious kind of obvious.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4884-0
00:38:35.276 --> 00:38:38.496
Structure there that that you
can then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4929-0
00:38:40.206 --> 00:38:44.239
Give an angle too, so you might
think about the mode of travel,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4929-1
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:48.208
be it you know bass or camel or
or boat or combination and and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4929-2
00:38:48.208 --> 00:38:51.989
make a whole feature out of the
actual means of travellers.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4929-3
00:38:51.989 --> 00:38:55.958
Well, as where you're traveling
to and and I think this is the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4929-4
00:38:55.958 --> 00:38:59.046
format for a lot of very popular
travel writing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4943-0
00:38:59.836 --> 00:39:04.086
And and it's often what we mean
by travel writing then and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4966-0
00:39:05.246 --> 00:39:09.625
There is the kind that's much
more to do with delving into

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4966-1
00:39:09.625 --> 00:39:13.856
particular place with a motive
is is exploring it in in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4999-0
00:39:16.086 --> 00:39:19.948
Why that gets behind the
touristic or the the obvious

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4999-1
00:39:19.948 --> 00:39:24.167
cliches about that place?
There's a huge amount of writing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4999-2
00:39:24.167 --> 00:39:28.744
at the moment that's devoted to
uncovering the authentic nature

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/4999-3
00:39:28.744 --> 00:39:30.246
replace of revealing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5006-0
00:39:31.446 --> 00:39:33.576
Didn't or ditional stories?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5014-0
00:39:35.176 --> 00:39:38.956
It's about finding the reality
of a place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5029-0
00:39:40.196 --> 00:39:45.100
And and I knew. And it's a
popular mode of travel writing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5029-1
00:39:45.100 --> 00:39:45.946
and again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5037-0
00:39:46.816 --> 00:39:49.476
It's kind of writing that you
might want to be published in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5051-0
00:39:52.056 --> 00:39:56.586
It's a fruit for way to go, but
others are a good quote here.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5058-0
00:39:58.006 --> 00:39:59.746
This is by just.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5068-0
00:40:00.656 --> 00:40:05.076
Sit down a little bit. Rolf
Potts from an article published.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5080-0
00:40:06.666 --> 00:40:09.836
Cookieless Alistair elasticity
of place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5084-0
00:40:11.296 --> 00:40:12.486
Scottish and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5089-0
00:40:14.816 --> 00:40:17.666
Chattahoochee review quite
recently.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5094-0
00:40:18.446 --> 00:40:19.776
OK, so let's read this.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5097-0
00:40:22.156 --> 00:40:23.026
This is really.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5105-0
00:40:23.256 --> 00:40:27.096
I'm thinking about why Trump,
why we do travel writing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5160-0
00:40:28.106 --> 00:40:32.357
So travel writing is important
because it humanizes distant

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5160-1
00:40:32.357 --> 00:40:36.254
places. Unlike standard
journalism, doesn't pretend to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5160-2
00:40:36.254 --> 00:40:40.576
detached objectivity, and it
doesn't follow the panic driven

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5160-3
00:40:40.576 --> 00:40:44.969
war disaster tropes of the 24
hours news cycle instead uses a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5160-4
00:40:44.969 --> 00:40:49.503
personal lens to delve into the
nuanced realities of daily life

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5160-5
00:40:49.503 --> 00:40:50.566
away from home.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5169-0
00:40:51.636 --> 00:40:55.999
Finding human commonalities as
it explores cultural

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5169-1
00:40:55.999 --> 00:40:57.006
differences.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5171-0
00:40:58.956 --> 00:40:59.286
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5183-0
00:41:01.306 --> 00:41:05.766
So the emphasis there is very
much on the individual voice.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5203-0
00:41:07.786 --> 00:41:11.974
And I think a lot of the favours
travellers, travel writers,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5203-1
00:41:11.974 --> 00:41:14.926
Blackpool, thorough Genn,
Maurice, others.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5207-0
00:41:15.546 --> 00:41:17.076
I'm tend to adopt.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5223-0
00:41:17.356 --> 00:41:22.364
I'm it's very accessible, quite
personal voice and they they

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5223-1
00:41:22.364 --> 00:41:24.006
don't pretend to be.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5238-0
00:41:24.836 --> 00:41:28.116
Objective authorities? They're
not scientists. They're very

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5238-1
00:41:28.116 --> 00:41:30.686
much bringing a personal view to
the material.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5252-0
00:41:31.586 --> 00:41:35.512
And yet, as we'll see when we
come on to look at some

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5252-1
00:41:35.512 --> 00:41:36.166
extracts.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5263-0
00:41:36.466 --> 00:41:41.276
I'm feeding in quite a lot of
research as well to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5273-0
00:41:41.946 --> 00:41:44.986
To back up their experience,
their knowledge replace.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5295-0
00:41:52.846 --> 00:41:56.692
Different from journalism in
that you're not giving an

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5295-1
00:41:56.692 --> 00:42:01.098
account of an event, you're not
focusing on any one particular

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5295-2
00:42:01.098 --> 00:42:02.916
angle, generally speaking.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5297-0
00:42:05.506 --> 00:42:06.036
2nd.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5299-0
00:42:06.546 --> 00:42:07.086
Got it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5302-0
00:42:08.176 --> 00:42:09.126
Same article.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5328-0
00:42:10.746 --> 00:42:15.064
Literary travel writing still
resides the overlap of reportage

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5328-1
00:42:15.064 --> 00:42:19.519
and memoir, and some of the most
memorable travel writing. Think

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5328-2
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.096
John Morris, Speaker I.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5360-0
00:42:22.326 --> 00:42:26.206
From Pavlock isn't about the act
of physical motion so much as

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5360-1
00:42:26.206 --> 00:42:29.902
the task of making sense of a
single place or reflecting on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5360-2
00:42:29.902 --> 00:42:33.228
the complexity of human
experience. And it a world in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5360-3
00:42:33.228 --> 00:42:33.536
flux.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5398-0
00:42:34.896 --> 00:42:38.451
In a time when academic
disciplines are hyper

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5398-1
00:42:38.451 --> 00:42:42.625
specialized and foreign
correspondents fixate on wars

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5398-2
00:42:42.625 --> 00:42:47.185
and crises, travel writers are
allowed to digress, to take

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5398-3
00:42:47.185 --> 00:42:51.436
things slow, and use a variety
of interpretive lenses.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5424-0
00:42:52.616 --> 00:42:57.301
Good trouble book isn't just a
mix of reportage and memoir. It

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5424-1
00:42:57.301 --> 00:43:01.764
might blend geography with
gastronomy, history with humour,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5424-2
00:43:01.764 --> 00:43:03.846
sociology with spirituality.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5434-0
00:43:04.656 --> 00:43:08.206
At its best, it's about a
perceptive author.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5455-0
00:43:09.186 --> 00:43:14.244
Using a mix of narrative
strategies to make sense of both

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5455-1
00:43:14.244 --> 00:43:19.476
a place and of herself as a
person experiencing that place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5458-0
00:43:20.666 --> 00:43:22.646
OK so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5472-0
00:43:23.796 --> 00:43:27.401
I find this in A and a lot of
contemporary travel writing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5472-1
00:43:27.401 --> 00:43:28.806
It's very, very hybrid.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5490-0
00:43:29.546 --> 00:43:33.694
You might be reporting and
talking about what happened on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5490-1
00:43:33.694 --> 00:43:37.556
your journey. One minute, then
you might move out to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5503-0
00:43:40.726 --> 00:43:45.008
Comments on the geography of the
place, the history you might

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5503-1
00:43:45.008 --> 00:43:46.596
have grass into course.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5538-0
00:43:47.326 --> 00:43:51.077
Strony, you might go in all
kinds of directions. You might

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5538-1
00:43:51.077 --> 00:43:54.510
spiral off into more
philosophical reflection and and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5538-2
00:43:54.510 --> 00:43:58.578
I think this is what makes it a
very vigorous Ting and vigorous

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5538-3
00:43:58.578 --> 00:43:58.896
form.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5549-0
00:44:01.276 --> 00:44:04.086
And he thought sooner one about
these definitions.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5557-0
00:44:08.756 --> 00:44:10.326
And if you give read that
reflects.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5562-0
00:44:12.726 --> 00:44:13.606
These comments.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5582-0
00:44:16.036 --> 00:44:22.197
Not as a travel writer, but as a
a novelist that I've been

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5582-1
00:44:22.197 --> 00:44:24.286
reading lately. And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5589-0
00:44:25.616 --> 00:44:27.706
This banner around the witch.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5598-0
00:44:28.556 --> 00:44:34.026
And who's the main trope is kind
of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5619-0
00:44:35.846 --> 00:44:39.426
Young new policeman. But it kind
of goes off into the kind of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5619-1
00:44:39.426 --> 00:44:41.966
supernatural account, but
there's a lot of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5651-0
00:44:43.046 --> 00:44:47.217
Architectural history, London
history and quite a lot of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5651-1
00:44:47.217 --> 00:44:52.046
science. And you're like lots of
other things are thinking, gosh,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5651-2
00:44:52.046 --> 00:44:56.217
this this is quite well
researched for so many different

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5651-3
00:44:56.217 --> 00:44:58.046
kinds throwing things in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5680-0
00:44:58.886 --> 00:45:02.236
I thought that's really
interesting the way we're all

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5680-1
00:45:02.236 --> 00:45:06.331
for which could be quite linear,
so this throws lots of things at

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5680-2
00:45:06.331 --> 00:45:08.316
you, like they quite enjoy that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5698-0
00:45:09.366 --> 00:45:12.938
Yeah. So that that's that's a
good comparison actually. And I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5698-1
00:45:12.938 --> 00:45:16.337
think I think that's that's true
of an awful lot of travel

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5698-2
00:45:16.337 --> 00:45:17.086
writing that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5717-0
00:45:19.346 --> 00:45:23.043
It's it expands out from
recounting what's immediately

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5717-1
00:45:23.043 --> 00:45:26.136
happening to all these these
other areas and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5726-0
00:45:26.786 --> 00:45:31.405
And I'm informing and enriching
reader. I think in all kinds of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5726-1
00:45:31.405 --> 00:45:31.766
ways.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5731-0
00:45:33.116 --> 00:45:34.526
It's just come after this.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5751-0
00:45:48.316 --> 00:45:54.280
But having said all that, I
think that the basis of any good

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5751-1
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.626
travel writing is still.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5770-0
00:45:57.726 --> 00:46:02.404
The scene is how you take the
anecdotes and things you happen

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5770-1
00:46:02.404 --> 00:46:05.196
and how you you translate them
into.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5787-0
00:46:07.116 --> 00:46:10.578
Although they're not fiction
into the equivalent of fixed

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5787-1
00:46:10.578 --> 00:46:12.906
scene that you might write in
fiction.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5790-0
00:46:13.686 --> 00:46:14.576
So that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5827-0
00:46:15.216 --> 00:46:18.699
If you're embarking on a
journey, obviously you want to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5827-1
00:46:18.699 --> 00:46:22.618
have your notebooks and you want
to collect as much detail and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5827-2
00:46:22.618 --> 00:46:26.660
observation sensory observation
as you can. Let bits of dialogue

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5827-3
00:46:26.660 --> 00:46:29.646
and anything that happens on the
way. But then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5837-0
00:46:30.586 --> 00:46:33.956
Think about how to craft it so
that it makes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5842-0
00:46:37.276 --> 00:46:39.426
A well plotted and well honed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5866-0
00:46:40.466 --> 00:46:44.899
Piece of writing from the point
of view of the reader that has

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5866-1
00:46:44.899 --> 00:46:49.051
shape and that something's
happening. And let's look at an

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5866-2
00:46:49.051 --> 00:46:52.006
example, a short piece by
Malcolm Paland.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5873-0
00:46:59.236 --> 00:47:01.506
Right. Can everybody see what's
on the screen?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5878-0
00:47:03.366 --> 00:47:04.846
Yeah, it's tiny, but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5883-0
00:47:05.616 --> 00:47:06.606
Yeah, like that bigger.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5886-0
00:47:11.136 --> 00:47:11.436
Yep.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5899-0
00:47:11.916 --> 00:47:16.306
OK. Can everyone see that now?
Satisfactory. OK, so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5896-0
00:47:14.346 --> 00:47:14.626
Yep.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5927-0
00:47:16.386 --> 00:47:20.247
Umm this is this is from his
book around the world in 80 days

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5927-1
00:47:20.247 --> 00:47:24.108
and it's written in diary form,
which incidentally is quite a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5927-2
00:47:24.108 --> 00:47:26.786
good way of organizing a travel
narrative.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5951-0
00:47:27.776 --> 00:47:31.896
And and it's an anecdote. Who
thing yet of what happened when

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5951-1
00:47:31.896 --> 00:47:34.886
particular Sunday. So I'll read
this to you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5960-0
00:47:36.046 --> 00:47:39.056
Another Sunday and into my 5th
week away.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5996-0
00:47:40.366 --> 00:47:44.530
At this moment, home seems very
far off of the prospect of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5996-1
00:47:44.530 --> 00:47:49.047
seeing family and friends again
in 50 days. Utterly remote, but

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5996-2
00:47:49.047 --> 00:47:53.212
at least we are moving east and
those daylight through the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/5996-3
00:47:53.212 --> 00:47:57.376
shutters. There is also an
insistent pounding on the door.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6026-0
00:47:58.266 --> 00:48:02.419
I open it and find a school,
grubby, bearded man standing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6026-1
00:48:02.419 --> 00:48:06.858
there looking disgruntled. He
demands to know what I want for

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6026-2
00:48:06.858 --> 00:48:10.796
lunch. She can biryani very
nice, he proposes briskly.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6041-0
00:48:11.686 --> 00:48:15.308
And will I don't show
enthusiasm. It is 7:00 o'clock

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6041-1
00:48:15.308 --> 00:48:17.836
in the morning. She looks
irritated.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6050-0
00:48:18.546 --> 00:48:20.846
I Currie, western style. Very
nice.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6088-0
00:48:21.646 --> 00:48:25.201
And in order for several
biryanis accompanied by payment

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6088-1
00:48:25.201 --> 00:48:29.318
is all that will get rid of him,
and I hear him go on to the next

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6088-2
00:48:29.318 --> 00:48:33.248
compartment. He knocks at this
store persistently for at least

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6088-3
00:48:33.248 --> 00:48:36.616
15 minutes to afraid to open it
to dogged to give up.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6096-0
00:48:37.806 --> 00:48:40.096
Not wanting to wake the rest of
the compartment.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6118-0
00:48:40.916 --> 00:48:44.409
I visit the Western style of
train, then consult the two

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6118-1
00:48:44.409 --> 00:48:48.453
railway officials sitting in the
corner as to our whereabouts can

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6118-2
00:48:48.453 --> 00:48:50.536
tackle junction is the next
stop.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6122-0
00:48:51.926 --> 00:48:52.986
How long would that be?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6130-0
00:48:53.676 --> 00:48:56.126
For two minutes, says one very
positively.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6137-0
00:48:56.806 --> 00:49:00.156
Half an hour announces the other
authoritatively.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6143-0
00:49:02.026 --> 00:49:03.616
We pulled into contact.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6151-0
00:49:06.786 --> 00:49:08.656
Just need to pull this down a
little bit.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6161-0
00:49:13.316 --> 00:49:16.546
We pull into gun tackled
junction 45 minutes later.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6175-0
00:49:17.586 --> 00:49:21.870
When I look next look, both men
are gone outside. There are rain

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6175-1
00:49:21.870 --> 00:49:23.056
clouds in the sky.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6195-0
00:49:25.826 --> 00:49:29.679
Boy waves at the train further
on, an older man pulls his

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6195-1
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:33.266
trousers up after depositing
another loom of what is.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6203-0
00:49:34.036 --> 00:49:36.136
Cortically called night soil.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6215-0
00:49:38.426 --> 00:49:42.887
OK, Ohrt's, Perton, bullocks.
Sorry, I've got a a something

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6215-1
00:49:42.887 --> 00:49:43.556
blocking.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6233-0
00:49:45.526 --> 00:49:49.221
Meet him, which anyone could
anyone read this last paragraph

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6233-1
00:49:49.221 --> 00:49:51.886
for me from we pull into
Guntakal junction.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6235-0
00:49:52.466 --> 00:49:52.806
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6239-0
00:49:54.416 --> 00:49:54.986
I'm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6312-0
00:49:55.046 --> 00:49:59.482
But life is rich and I wish I
knew what they were or were.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6312-1
00:49:59.482 --> 00:50:04.294
Egrets perch on blocks and the
rest pose on the Telegraph lines

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6312-2
00:50:04.294 --> 00:50:08.880
as if and ID grade carrots.
Hooded crows strike, fight among

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6312-3
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.767
birds. Some of the bullets horns
have been painted bright. Blues

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6312-4
00:50:13.767 --> 00:50:18.278
and Reds. Pride of ownership,
I'm told, like putting layers

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6312-5
00:50:18.278 --> 00:50:21.286
and Christy and across your own
school.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6323-0
00:50:21.976 --> 00:50:25.216
There are no tractors in the
fields or even a bicycle.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6336-0
00:50:27.746 --> 00:50:30.476
Great, so simple trained on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6337-0
00:50:29.316 --> 00:50:30.656
All I can say is that good.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6341-0
00:50:32.726 --> 00:50:33.316
We will get that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6344-0
00:50:34.566 --> 00:50:35.006
Sorry.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6352-0
00:50:36.486 --> 00:50:38.776
Yeah, I heard that. Thanks.
Thank you, Joe.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6356-0
00:50:40.626 --> 00:50:42.266
So what is it?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6366-0
00:50:43.176 --> 00:50:46.866
About this that makes it a
scene, gives it shape.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6371-0
00:50:50.386 --> 00:50:51.226
The setting.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6377-0
00:50:52.046 --> 00:50:54.166
Yes, you've got setting, yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6379-0
00:50:54.256 --> 00:50:54.936
This.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6386-0
00:50:56.896 --> 00:51:01.126
I think it's the very precise
definite detail.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6390-0
00:51:01.706 --> 00:51:02.256
Mm-hmm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6432-0
00:51:02.056 --> 00:51:05.316
And that's much better than if
he said. And the train was

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6432-1
00:51:05.316 --> 00:51:08.577
painted blue and the seats were
like this and outside the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6432-2
00:51:08.577 --> 00:51:12.062
weather is exactly like this.
And the scenery is like this. I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6432-3
00:51:12.062 --> 00:51:15.266
wouldn't read that. Where is
this? Where it's just small

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6432-4
00:51:15.266 --> 00:51:16.166
telling details.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6444-0
00:51:17.616 --> 00:51:19.776
It's it's much more atmospheric.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6450-0
00:51:19.376 --> 00:51:22.236
Yeah, it's indirect and it's
easier to follow.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6462-0
00:51:22.936 --> 00:51:25.866
Yes, yes. And it's in real time,
isn't it and?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6461-0
00:51:25.786 --> 00:51:26.126
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6465-0
00:51:27.536 --> 00:51:27.826
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6473-0
00:51:28.846 --> 00:51:29.916
Because of that, we have.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6472-0
00:51:29.126 --> 00:51:29.536
And the.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6477-0
00:51:30.876 --> 00:51:31.726
Keep going, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6489-0
00:51:32.176 --> 00:51:36.946
The observations of the other
people he comes across as well,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6489-1
00:51:36.946 --> 00:51:37.946
you know the.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6547-0
00:51:39.576 --> 00:51:43.703
Was it the the disgruntled man
who wants to take his dinner

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6547-1
00:51:43.703 --> 00:51:47.968
order and and the two? The two
gentlemen who both get the the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6547-2
00:51:47.968 --> 00:51:52.370
amount of time it's gonna take
to get there? Wrong. Although he

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6547-3
00:51:52.370 --> 00:51:56.841
doesn't directly say it's wrong,
but the next line is 45 minutes

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6547-4
00:51:56.841 --> 00:52:00.762
later when they were both
asserted 15 minutes or half an

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6547-5
00:52:00.762 --> 00:52:01.106
hour.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6554-0
00:52:02.596 --> 00:52:05.046
So yeah, there's kind of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6560-0
00:52:06.506 --> 00:52:08.236
Little insights onto.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6569-0
00:52:09.846 --> 00:52:14.666
What he thinks about his his
interactions with people.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6582-0
00:52:15.366 --> 00:52:19.691
Yes, yes, yes. Good. Yeah. So
there's character there, isn't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6582-1
00:52:19.691 --> 00:52:20.116
there?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6583-0
00:52:20.316 --> 00:52:20.836
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6606-0
00:52:25.306 --> 00:52:29.014
I think the important thing is
that something happens and we

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6606-1
00:52:29.014 --> 00:52:32.296
don't. We don't know what it's
going to be, do we so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6637-0
00:52:33.756 --> 00:52:38.066
He opens the door and there's a
small man there. So, so mutually

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6637-1
00:52:38.066 --> 00:52:42.045
think I see there. What's going
to happen. And then another

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6637-2
00:52:42.045 --> 00:52:45.096
questions raised. What do you
want for lunch?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6642-0
00:52:45.756 --> 00:52:47.606
Umm and this?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6647-0
00:52:49.696 --> 00:52:50.446
The shades.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6659-0
00:52:52.196 --> 00:52:55.323
Some kind of minor conflict,
doesn't it? That there's a clash

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6659-1
00:52:55.323 --> 00:52:55.726
between?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6669-0
00:52:59.406 --> 00:53:02.776
The expectations of the of the
the the man who.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6688-0
00:53:03.816 --> 00:53:08.228
Wants to find out what the
pastor wants to lunch and what

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6688-1
00:53:08.228 --> 00:53:10.586
Palin actually wants to happen.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6690-0
00:53:11.496 --> 00:53:11.966
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6695-0
00:53:14.006 --> 00:53:15.956
Then he moves on and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6698-0
00:53:21.186 --> 00:53:21.636
Unless.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6717-0
00:53:22.616 --> 00:53:26.208
Something else happens that he
goes and asks what time the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6717-1
00:53:26.208 --> 00:53:29.983
trains going to get it. I mean,
this is a very simple, basic,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6717-2
00:53:29.983 --> 00:53:30.836
quite mundane.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6752-0
00:53:31.506 --> 00:53:35.216
Activities, if you like, uhm,
because they're presented

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6752-1
00:53:35.216 --> 00:53:39.455
sequentially, and we don't know
what's coming next, or interest

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6752-2
00:53:39.455 --> 00:53:43.098
is peaked, and then it's
inflected with with humor and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6752-3
00:53:43.098 --> 00:53:43.496
irony.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6755-0
00:53:44.036 --> 00:53:44.466
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6756-0
00:53:44.376 --> 00:53:45.066
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6761-0
00:53:46.596 --> 00:53:48.176
And then it moves on and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6770-0
00:53:48.846 --> 00:53:51.396
What do you think about the way
this paragraph resolves?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6779-0
00:53:52.576 --> 00:53:55.266
We took you up birds egrets and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6785-0
00:53:56.526 --> 00:53:58.166
How does that shift things?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6804-0
00:54:01.286 --> 00:54:06.011
Moves you from the train and to
the space that it's parked in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6804-1
00:54:06.011 --> 00:54:06.986
That and I'm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6811-0
00:54:08.156 --> 00:54:09.266
It's you away from.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6821-0
00:54:10.326 --> 00:54:13.206
The human happiness as well
landscape.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6829-0
00:54:14.926 --> 00:54:15.786
Yes, yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6843-0
00:54:15.006 --> 00:54:18.162
OK. And it gets you ready for
the departure without him saying

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6843-1
00:54:18.162 --> 00:54:19.916
I'm about to depart the train
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6848-0
00:54:20.866 --> 00:54:22.766
It's just easily done.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6854-0
00:54:23.606 --> 00:54:24.656
Yeah. Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6888-0
00:54:23.946 --> 00:54:28.659
I think it's also it's it is. It
introduces sort of the exotic,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6888-1
00:54:28.659 --> 00:54:33.226
doesn't it? I mean we we don't
have all of those really don't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6888-2
00:54:33.226 --> 00:54:37.718
have hummingbirds. So it places
it more geographically where

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6888-3
00:54:37.718 --> 00:54:39.486
where this is happening.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6891-0
00:54:40.446 --> 00:54:41.046
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6903-0
00:54:40.756 --> 00:54:44.886
It's yes. Yeah. Yeah. So exactly
so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6938-0
00:54:46.086 --> 00:54:49.988
So we're both being LED into
what happens next and we always

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6938-1
00:54:49.988 --> 00:54:53.762
in a scene we always want this
this propulsion into what's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6938-2
00:54:53.762 --> 00:54:57.664
going to happen beyond that
scene. But as you say, it brings

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6938-3
00:54:57.664 --> 00:54:58.816
in the exotic and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6969-0
00:55:00.556 --> 00:55:03.627
Which is really the kind of the,
you know, the sort of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6969-1
00:55:03.627 --> 00:55:06.855
underlying tension that's going
on here. There's a, would you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6969-2
00:55:06.855 --> 00:55:09.926
say there's a bit of a tension
between a Western view and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6982-0
00:55:11.086 --> 00:55:14.811
This this the slightly
prejudices Westerner who's who's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6982-1
00:55:14.811 --> 00:55:15.676
encountering.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/6987-0
00:55:17.106 --> 00:55:18.416
Indian, presumably.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7000-0
00:55:19.896 --> 00:55:22.921
And perhaps being forced to
question some of his own

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7000-1
00:55:22.921 --> 00:55:23.606
assumptions.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7009-0
00:55:25.626 --> 00:55:27.746
So we have conflict here as
well, don't we?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7014-0
00:55:29.736 --> 00:55:30.916
All these some.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7024-0
00:55:32.826 --> 00:55:35.786
He he comes across as quite
grumpy.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7031-0
00:55:37.246 --> 00:55:38.296
Yes he does.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7032-0
00:55:37.716 --> 00:55:38.326
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7042-0
00:55:39.906 --> 00:55:43.516
Like, that's what I sort of got
from from reading it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7044-0
00:55:44.296 --> 00:55:44.786
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7046-0
00:55:46.266 --> 00:55:46.766
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7049-0
00:55:47.796 --> 00:55:49.506
And yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7059-0
00:55:49.986 --> 00:55:52.776
And as if he's had a bad night's
sleep.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7084-0
00:55:54.086 --> 00:55:59.267
We probably had the terrible
night sleep. Yeah, exactly. So

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7063-0
00:55:55.386 --> 00:55:56.066
That's why.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7084-1
00:55:59.267 --> 00:56:03.326
we're getting humour character,
we're getting.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7092-0
00:56:03.666 --> 00:56:07.306
Umm. Goals and that he wants.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7117-0
00:56:08.186 --> 00:56:11.107
More courage wants to have
breakfast. He wants to find out

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7117-1
00:56:11.107 --> 00:56:13.930
when the train gets in because
of the conflict and we're

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7111-0
00:56:11.816 --> 00:56:12.336
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7117-2
00:56:13.930 --> 00:56:14.326
getting.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7141-0
00:56:16.436 --> 00:56:18.834
Hinter of change and
transformation that he's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7141-1
00:56:18.834 --> 00:56:22.170
beginning to open out into this
other world that he's traveling

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7135-0
00:56:20.176 --> 00:56:20.606
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7141-2
00:56:22.170 --> 00:56:22.326
in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7156-0
00:56:22.876 --> 00:56:26.021
And I guess the I used the
western toilet. He makes a point

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7156-1
00:56:26.021 --> 00:56:27.436
of saying that, doesn't he?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7179-0
00:56:28.726 --> 00:56:32.881
And the somebody's making a
point of saying what I I visit

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7179-1
00:56:32.881 --> 00:56:35.276
the Western style, the tree
line.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7181-0
00:56:36.346 --> 00:56:36.946
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7195-0
00:56:38.856 --> 00:56:43.596
He's immediately introducing
that idea there of uh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7200-0
00:56:45.146 --> 00:56:45.926
The difference?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7208-0
00:56:45.356 --> 00:56:47.286
West against something else?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7207-0
00:56:47.576 --> 00:56:47.816
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7212-0
00:56:47.756 --> 00:56:48.896
It's yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7219-0
00:56:49.296 --> 00:56:51.006
You know, it's feels very
deliberate.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7232-0
00:56:52.666 --> 00:56:58.336
Yes, yes, exactly. And I think a
lot of travel writing pivots on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7260-0
00:57:00.056 --> 00:57:04.160
What happens when you bring your
country assumptions and into a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7260-1
00:57:04.160 --> 00:57:08.200
totally different worlds and how
that changes you and how that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7260-2
00:57:08.200 --> 00:57:09.996
world reacts to you as well?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7268-0
00:57:12.896 --> 00:57:15.406
But yeah, but but the point I'm
trying to make here is that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7276-0
00:57:17.696 --> 00:57:19.396
It's a basis for travel writing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7306-0
00:57:20.956 --> 00:57:24.282
You want to convert what happens
into into scenes where you're

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7306-1
00:57:24.282 --> 00:57:27.555
doing micro plotting. You're
shaping them, you're giving them

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7306-2
00:57:27.555 --> 00:57:30.248
narrative form, where
something's happening, where

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7306-3
00:57:30.248 --> 00:57:33.521
there's there's some kind of
conflict, where there's a bit of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7306-4
00:57:33.521 --> 00:57:33.996
dialogue.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7315-0
00:57:35.536 --> 00:57:39.506
Well, you're showing character
and am I your?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7319-0
00:57:40.946 --> 00:57:42.226
Seen travels from.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7343-0
00:57:42.966 --> 00:57:46.828
He literally from from its
beginning to a different place,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7343-1
00:57:46.828 --> 00:57:51.018
psychologically or spatially at
the end, and it's going to lead

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7343-2
00:57:51.018 --> 00:57:52.916
us on into what happens next.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7367-0
00:57:54.156 --> 00:57:59.073
So all those craft elements that
you've been learning with, Paul

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7367-1
00:57:59.073 --> 00:58:03.535
apply in the kind of the way
that unite rate the anecdotal

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7367-2
00:58:03.535 --> 00:58:05.956
sides of your travel narratives.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7372-0
00:58:07.866 --> 00:58:09.236
Any questions that anybody?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7377-0
00:58:20.016 --> 00:58:20.366
Alright.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7381-0
00:58:24.766 --> 00:58:26.436
That's now.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7407-0
00:58:27.996 --> 00:58:32.129
Take a look at some of the
extracts that were on the Moodle

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7407-1
00:58:32.129 --> 00:58:35.917
and cause these show. I think
some of the diversity of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7407-2
00:58:35.917 --> 00:58:38.466
approaches and of hybrid
approaches.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7411-0
00:58:40.526 --> 00:58:41.356
Start.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7414-0
00:58:42.306 --> 00:58:43.196
See if I can.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7425-0
00:58:43.986 --> 00:58:46.974
It's been talking about Swansea.
Let's see if we can have a look

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7425-1
00:58:46.974 --> 00:58:47.526
at my Nigel.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7439-0
00:58:48.306 --> 00:58:54.662
Jenkins extract about Swansea.
This is film. I still got it up

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7439-1
00:58:54.662 --> 00:58:55.166
here.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7459-0
00:58:55.926 --> 00:59:01.538
Yes, good. So this is from a
series produced by sharing books

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7459-1
00:59:01.538 --> 00:59:06.336
called Real Whales, where
different authors of note.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7482-0
00:59:06.636 --> 00:59:11.860
Umm, right about a particular
region of Wales. Nigel Jenkins,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7482-1
00:59:11.860 --> 00:59:16.832
you're very sadly died of count
so few years ago. He was a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7482-2
00:59:16.832 --> 00:59:18.096
wonderful poet.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7491-0
00:59:18.966 --> 00:59:24.601
Psychogeography, her travel
writer, critic, and teacher,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7491-1
00:59:24.601 --> 00:59:24.996
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7498-0
00:59:26.826 --> 00:59:30.296
He wrote a wonderful book called
Real Swansea.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7503-0
00:59:32.606 --> 00:59:33.586
We can look at this.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7511-0
00:59:42.916 --> 00:59:45.646
OK. Can everyone see what's up
on the screen?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7516-0
00:59:47.366 --> 00:59:48.176
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7523-0
00:59:47.976 --> 00:59:49.706
It's just kind of thing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7518-0
00:59:48.246 --> 00:59:48.636
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7521-0
00:59:48.336 --> 00:59:48.616
Have.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7537-0
00:59:52.896 --> 00:59:57.126
I think I'm going to need some
volunteer readers, so if I.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7530-0
00:59:53.346 --> 00:59:53.726
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7551-0
00:59:58.556 --> 01:00:05.137
How do the first paragraph down
to never been seen again and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7551-1
01:00:05.137 --> 01:00:05.676
then?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7561-0
01:00:06.676 --> 01:00:10.286
Ah, I would you like to take
over then?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7564-0
01:00:11.056 --> 01:00:12.366
Up to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7566-0
01:00:15.096 --> 01:00:16.116
Ah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7574-0
01:00:16.916 --> 01:00:18.966
Landslides South of Ireland.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7572-0
01:00:17.536 --> 01:00:17.866
But.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7577-0
01:00:21.396 --> 01:00:22.486
And then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7589-0
01:00:24.136 --> 01:00:27.388
We'll pause them. Perhaps just
talk, and then we'll read a bit

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7589-1
01:00:27.388 --> 01:00:27.646
more.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7592-0
01:00:28.376 --> 01:00:29.996
OK. Is that OK?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7598-0
01:00:31.016 --> 01:00:32.806
So this is about Swansea Bay.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7626-0
01:00:36.096 --> 01:00:40.086
Excuse me if you stand at
Mumbles when the tides in with

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7626-1
01:00:40.086 --> 01:00:44.356
perhaps a rowing teen slicing
over the base glasses surface.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7668-0
01:00:45.196 --> 01:00:49.155
And it doesn't mute Swans
tacking and preening, and the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7668-1
01:00:49.155 --> 01:00:53.467
almost imperceptible swell you
could think yourself from the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7668-2
01:00:53.467 --> 01:00:57.638
edge of a lake in Switzerland,
there being no sign in this

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7668-3
01:00:57.638 --> 01:01:01.526
apparently landbound scene of
any egress to the 7 sea.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7673-0
01:01:02.696 --> 01:01:04.686
Tied in skiers out.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7683-0
01:01:05.286 --> 01:01:08.016
Dollar signs card from shore to
shore.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7707-0
01:01:09.116 --> 01:01:14.022
You have to move kilometer or so
towards town before the open arm

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7707-1
01:01:14.022 --> 01:01:18.780
Crescent of Swansea Bay declares
itself wide. The oceans of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7707-2
01:01:18.780 --> 01:01:19.226
world.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7745-0
01:01:21.286 --> 01:01:26.730
The English poet Walter Savage
Landor, 1775 to 1864, recalling

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7745-1
01:01:26.730 --> 01:01:32.260
and later life the view at the
end of the 18th century famously

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7745-2
01:01:32.260 --> 01:01:37.790
declared the Gulf of Salerno. I
hear is much finer than Naples,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7745-3
01:01:37.790 --> 01:01:38.136
but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7760-0
01:01:41.546 --> 01:01:45.339
Give me Swansea for scenery and
climate. He found it. The most

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7760-1
01:01:45.339 --> 01:01:47.266
beautiful coast in the universe.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7813-0
01:01:48.436 --> 01:01:53.114
The casual palm tree may indeed
lend the Bay Mediterranean

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7813-1
01:01:53.114 --> 01:01:57.634
ambience, but it can also have
its darker moods, as when

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7813-2
01:01:57.634 --> 01:02:02.471
Siberian winds turn the seas
edge to a rubble of ice or when

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7813-3
01:02:02.471 --> 01:02:07.388
twice daily, the tide falling by
nearly 10 metres, exposes of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7813-4
01:02:07.388 --> 01:02:09.846
vast expanse of oleaginous mud.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7836-0
01:02:10.676 --> 01:02:13.976
Little more congruent coast
tidal reach, being second only

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7836-1
01:02:13.976 --> 01:02:17.388
to that of the Bayonne funding
Canada, thanks to the classic

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7836-2
01:02:17.388 --> 01:02:19.066
funnel shape of the seven sea.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7861-0
01:02:19.916 --> 01:02:23.508
I've heard it rumoured in
******* that students hoping to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7861-1
01:02:23.508 --> 01:02:26.852
take a shortcut to the
university across the low tide

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7861-2
01:02:26.852 --> 01:02:29.206
quagmire. I've never been seen
again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7866-0
01:02:30.846 --> 01:02:32.156
Do you want to carry on cloud?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7944-0
01:02:32.756 --> 01:02:36.840
OK, if the Bay has delivered
prosperity to Swansea, it has

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7944-1
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:41.200
also at times threatened it with
invasion. The keels of Viking

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7944-2
01:02:41.200 --> 01:02:45.422
were orders would have scrunched
ashore here as Swain, if he

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7944-3
01:02:45.422 --> 01:02:49.575
existed, I'd up the rhythm
rivermouth for the settlement of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7944-4
01:02:49.575 --> 01:02:53.935
the eye that is believed to have
borne his name, and the alien

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7944-5
01:02:53.935 --> 01:02:58.157
ships of the Normans would have
been too many decades behind

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7944-6
01:02:58.157 --> 01:03:02.449
them. A feared French invasion
during the Napoleonic Wars led

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7944-7
01:03:02.449 --> 01:03:03.556
to Mumbles head.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7953-0
01:03:03.676 --> 01:03:06.176
Being equipped with 418
pounders.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7968-0
01:03:06.826 --> 01:03:11.706
The lighthouse Island was
further fortified in the 1860s.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7988-0
01:03:13.066 --> 01:03:16.697
During the Second World War, the
Bay was ringed with what was

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7988-1
01:03:16.697 --> 01:03:20.386
hoped would be an impenetrable
barrage of eight tonne concrete

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/7988-2
01:03:20.386 --> 01:03:20.796
blocks.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8011-0
01:03:21.886 --> 01:03:25.695
Pill box from that time up to
its eye holes in sand can still

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8011-1
01:03:25.695 --> 01:03:29.749
be seen at the foot of the dunes
between the university and black

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8011-2
01:03:29.749 --> 01:03:30.056
pill.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8065-0
01:03:31.176 --> 01:03:35.080
That German visitation never
came, but the sea itself might

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8065-1
01:03:35.080 --> 01:03:38.788
prove a devastating invader.
Before long, climate change

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8065-2
01:03:38.788 --> 01:03:42.757
experts have predicted that a
rise in sea level of about one

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8065-3
01:03:42.757 --> 01:03:46.596
metre over the next 100 years
will render low lying cities

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8065-4
01:03:46.596 --> 01:03:50.305
such as Swansea uninhabitable
well before the end of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8065-5
01:03:50.305 --> 01:03:51.346
present century.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8144-0
01:03:52.076 --> 01:03:56.577
And they are not alone. On walls
and garage doors all over

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8144-1
01:03:56.577 --> 01:04:01.308
Swansea. In 2006 there appeared
a chalk line with the caption

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8144-2
01:04:01.308 --> 01:04:05.886
Sea level in 2059 and other
dates for other locations. Such

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8144-3
01:04:05.886 --> 01:04:10.616
dangers are foreseeable less
predictable and more immediately

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8144-4
01:04:10.616 --> 01:04:15.652
cataclysmic, would be as UNAMI a
word not known to the Welsh when

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8144-5
01:04:15.652 --> 01:04:20.535
in 1607 both shores of the seven
sea were devastated by what an

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8144-6
01:04:20.535 --> 01:04:22.366
eyewitness described as.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8163-0
01:04:22.866 --> 01:04:26.691
Mighty Hills of water tumbling
over one another, as if the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8163-1
01:04:26.691 --> 01:04:30.322
greatest mountains in the world
had overwhelmed the low

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8163-2
01:04:30.322 --> 01:04:30.906
villages.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8187-0
01:04:31.826 --> 01:04:35.627
Sometimes it dazzled many of the
spectators that they imagined it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8187-1
01:04:35.627 --> 01:04:39.198
had been some fog or mist coming
with great swiftness towards

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8187-2
01:04:39.198 --> 01:04:39.486
them.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8255-0
01:04:40.646 --> 01:04:44.632
This would accord with
descriptions of the Indian Ocean

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8255-1
01:04:44.632 --> 01:04:48.760
tsunami of Boxing Day 2004,
although it's only since 2002

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8255-2
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:53.244
that scientists have considered
it likely that the Great Flood

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8255-3
01:04:53.244 --> 01:04:57.657
of 1607, which killed at least
2000 people and drove almost 6

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8255-4
01:04:57.657 --> 01:05:01.287
kilometres inland in
Monmouthshire, was in fact as

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8255-5
01:05:01.287 --> 01:05:05.487
UNAMI triggered, perhaps by a
submarine landslide South of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8255-6
01:05:05.487 --> 01:05:06.056
Ireland.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8260-0
01:05:09.906 --> 01:05:11.186
Any comments so far?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8297-0
01:05:20.826 --> 01:05:25.132
I think compared to the previous
one, there's, there's also a lot

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8297-1
01:05:25.132 --> 01:05:29.046
more facts. There's a lot more
history in here. It's it's a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8297-2
01:05:29.046 --> 01:05:33.026
more sort of scholarly rather
the other one was perhaps more

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8297-3
01:05:33.026 --> 01:05:35.636
entertaining without being so
detailed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8301-0
01:05:38.626 --> 01:05:40.036
Yes. Yeah, yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8308-0
01:05:41.486 --> 01:05:42.726
Someone else can say something.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8328-0
01:05:45.316 --> 01:05:49.603
Very different kind of narrative
voice, isn't it, that the eye,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8328-1
01:05:49.603 --> 01:05:52.216
the self is much, much less
prominent.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8346-0
01:05:52.856 --> 01:05:56.566
Umm would you said you're you're
quite aware of the presence of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8346-1
01:05:56.566 --> 01:05:57.726
the narrator though?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8350-0
01:06:01.166 --> 01:06:01.906
You're late, no?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8362-0
01:06:10.876 --> 01:06:13.669
I think you're engaging much
more with what's being

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8362-1
01:06:13.669 --> 01:06:14.206
described.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8378-0
01:06:15.806 --> 01:06:19.277
Rather than the way. Yeah, the
night the narrators engaging

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8378-1
01:06:19.277 --> 01:06:20.376
with it themselves.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8388-0
01:06:20.986 --> 01:06:25.156
Yeah. So, yes, exactly. So he's
much more of a filter.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8399-0
01:06:28.356 --> 01:06:31.537
Through which the place itself
shines through, doesn't he

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8399-1
01:06:31.537 --> 01:06:31.866
ended?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8401-0
01:06:32.346 --> 01:06:32.686
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8458-0
01:06:33.716 --> 01:06:37.889
Notice that's how his set it up
so that he invites you into the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8458-1
01:06:37.889 --> 01:06:41.866
place and invites you to see a
particular scene. And there's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8458-2
01:06:41.866 --> 01:06:45.778
all that wonderful detail that
plays glassy surface that it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8458-3
01:06:45.778 --> 01:06:49.494
doesn't mute Swans tackling and
preening, and the almost

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8458-4
01:06:49.494 --> 01:06:53.276
exceptable swell. There's a
wonderfully active verbs and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8463-0
01:06:54.796 --> 01:06:56.446
And then he even throws in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8480-0
01:06:57.096 --> 01:07:01.441
What's up? It's essentially in
haiku, so this is kind of poetic

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8480-1
01:07:01.441 --> 01:07:03.546
distillation as well the scene.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8487-0
01:07:06.906 --> 01:07:08.736
But yes, but then he
immediately.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8492-0
01:07:10.386 --> 01:07:11.396
Brought this out.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8504-0
01:07:12.246 --> 01:07:16.876
Into a wider reflection of of
the place and it's history.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8506-0
01:07:18.306 --> 01:07:18.986
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8517-0
01:07:20.546 --> 01:07:23.847
Concrete amount of research
that's gone into this isn't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8517-1
01:07:23.847 --> 01:07:24.496
there into.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8520-0
01:07:25.446 --> 01:07:26.596
I'm bringing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8532-0
01:07:31.376 --> 01:07:36.566
The past of God of the place,
and particular themes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8538-0
01:07:40.066 --> 01:07:42.216
Layering up all this research.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8560-0
01:07:46.346 --> 01:07:49.288
Then he moves forward into into
the possible future. The

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8560-1
01:07:49.288 --> 01:07:52.281
possibility of another Caesar
army that Sunari might have

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8560-2
01:07:52.281 --> 01:07:52.746
happened.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8567-0
01:07:55.636 --> 01:07:57.006
Do you find it interesting?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8581-0
01:07:58.296 --> 01:07:59.706
Was this a little overwhelming?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8586-0
01:07:58.426 --> 01:08:01.136
Yeah, how you mix this with
charts in the present?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8590-0
01:08:02.966 --> 01:08:03.596
What's that?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8597-0
01:08:04.356 --> 01:08:06.466
It's mixed in the past and the
present.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8600-0
01:08:07.316 --> 01:08:07.706
As a.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8603-0
01:08:07.966 --> 01:08:09.436
I mean in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8606-0
01:08:10.416 --> 01:08:10.796
Sorry.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8635-0
01:08:13.206 --> 01:08:17.147
And possibilities for the future
as well. Like what? What could

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8615-0
01:08:16.056 --> 01:08:16.336
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8619-0
01:08:16.156 --> 01:08:16.896
Yeah, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8635-1
01:08:17.147 --> 01:08:21.210
be lost. So it's important, like
writing like this for the now is

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8635-2
01:08:21.210 --> 01:08:22.996
is important later on anyway.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8638-0
01:08:23.726 --> 01:08:24.276
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8663-0
01:08:26.196 --> 01:08:30.760
It's it's a very immersed piece.
I mean, you can tell he's been

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8663-1
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:34.967
in Swansea, probably all his
life and he's he's picked. He

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8663-2
01:08:34.967 --> 01:08:37.606
hasn't just gone out and
researched.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8706-0
01:08:38.286 --> 01:08:42.085
It's a lot of this has come to
him in his kind of daily life,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8706-1
01:08:42.085 --> 01:08:45.884
really. It's it's not. We may
have gone and fact checked what

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8706-2
01:08:45.884 --> 01:08:49.316
people have told him, but
obviously just walking around

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8706-3
01:08:49.316 --> 01:08:51.706
and seeing the things on on the
doors.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8714-0
01:08:52.646 --> 01:08:56.086
With the labels and and like
obviously.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8748-0
01:08:57.146 --> 01:09:00.699
It When you live in a place you
you hear about the local stories

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8748-1
01:09:00.699 --> 01:09:03.923
and the legends, and then
obviously he's gone off and then

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8748-2
01:09:03.923 --> 01:09:07.476
gone. Was that true then about,
you know, Swain, the Viking and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8784-0
01:09:07.366 --> 01:09:10.441
You have even we from Swansea.
You still don't know if Swains

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8784-1
01:09:10.441 --> 01:09:13.119
eye is true or not, because
there's arguments for and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8784-2
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:16.342
arguments against. So that would
have come just out of his head.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8784-3
01:09:16.342 --> 01:09:19.169
Yeah, some of it obviously
wouldn't be a Fact Check, but

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8774-0
01:09:17.296 --> 01:09:17.926
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8773-0
01:09:17.516 --> 01:09:17.976
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8784-4
01:09:19.169 --> 01:09:20.706
there's certain parts of there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8858-0
01:09:21.486 --> 01:09:24.942
Especially like the Normans
cause a lot of the castles were

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8858-1
01:09:24.942 --> 01:09:28.455
built by Normans, that that's
like a reputable then. But the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8801-0
01:09:25.376 --> 01:09:25.796
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8858-2
01:09:28.455 --> 01:09:31.680
dates and things, obviously
those those would have been

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8858-3
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.675
checked but and the
possibilities with the tsunami.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8858-4
01:09:34.675 --> 01:09:38.476
Is he saying, you know, he's not
saying directly even though he's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8832-0
01:09:37.076 --> 01:09:37.376
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8858-5
01:09:38.476 --> 01:09:42.162
he's obviously had a reason to
write that he wouldn't just made

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8858-6
01:09:42.162 --> 01:09:45.330
it up himself but still not
definite. So it's just the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8858-7
01:09:45.330 --> 01:09:46.136
possibilities.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8860-0
01:09:46.706 --> 01:09:47.096
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8867-0
01:09:47.046 --> 01:09:49.146
What could have been and what
could be as well?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8892-0
01:09:49.656 --> 01:09:52.889
Yeah, that's that's probably
where he is kind of more of his

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8873-0
01:09:50.616 --> 01:09:50.896
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8892-1
01:09:52.889 --> 01:09:56.334
research came in and and thought
ohh I didn't realise that could

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8887-0
01:09:54.856 --> 01:09:55.336
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8892-2
01:09:56.334 --> 01:09:57.076
have happened.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8894-0
01:09:57.456 --> 01:09:57.876
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8913-0
01:09:57.776 --> 01:10:01.716
So I would presume we must have
referenced where he got that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8913-1
01:10:01.716 --> 01:10:03.976
idea from at some point, but
it's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8931-0
01:10:04.756 --> 01:10:07.716
It it's quite interesting to see
that that's not a piece you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8931-1
01:10:07.716 --> 01:10:10.046
could write if you just spent a
week somewhere.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8936-0
01:10:10.906 --> 01:10:11.416
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8935-0
01:10:10.916 --> 01:10:11.306
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8937-0
01:10:10.976 --> 01:10:11.516
No.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8946-0
01:10:13.026 --> 01:10:15.586
What? What do you think about
this element of of?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8985-0
01:10:17.576 --> 01:10:21.713
Element of fiction or of of
imagination that creeps in that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8985-1
01:10:21.713 --> 01:10:25.989
he doesn't actually say that
something happened for sure. But

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8985-2
01:10:25.989 --> 01:10:30.195
you know he brings it. He's a
little details to make it less

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8985-3
01:10:30.195 --> 01:10:32.126
dry and bring it alive like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/8990-0
01:10:34.196 --> 01:10:35.576
Little bit about his.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9001-0
01:10:36.966 --> 01:10:39.276
Do anything existed? I'd up the
rhythm of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9021-0
01:10:41.386 --> 01:10:45.145
This kind of little details that
that dramatize something that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9021-1
01:10:45.145 --> 01:10:48.546
could be hair said, could be
legend might have happened.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9029-0
01:10:50.866 --> 01:10:53.886
I think I think it's powerful in
that he.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9080-0
01:10:55.506 --> 01:11:00.177
Something is huge as climate
change and which is such a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9080-1
01:11:00.177 --> 01:11:05.432
massive topic. First of all, he
relates it to a specific place

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9080-2
01:11:05.432 --> 01:11:10.354
and then those minor details
like the garage doors or even

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9080-3
01:11:10.354 --> 01:11:15.775
the smaller details of you know,
description like you're talking

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9080-4
01:11:15.775 --> 01:11:16.276
about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9082-0
01:11:16.336 --> 01:11:16.836
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9085-0
01:11:18.616 --> 01:11:20.226
Makes it much more immediate.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9116-0
01:11:21.046 --> 01:11:25.124
And so, even though he's talking
about something that could have

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9116-1
01:11:25.124 --> 01:11:28.699
happened relating that could
have happened to the garage

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9116-2
01:11:28.699 --> 01:11:32.526
doors and the the knowledge of
life, Swansea as it is today.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9123-0
01:11:33.106 --> 01:11:36.796
And brings something huge. UM.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9133-0
01:11:38.146 --> 01:11:42.036
Into our immediate, you know,
puts it in your face.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9141-0
01:11:43.216 --> 01:11:45.886
Yes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well
put.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9201-0
01:11:48.806 --> 01:11:52.791
It's kind of small, lively
details. He's a little bits of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9201-1
01:11:52.791 --> 01:11:57.120
fictionalize that he brings in.
It stops the whole piece being

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9166-0
01:11:56.316 --> 01:11:56.616
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9201-2
01:11:57.120 --> 01:12:01.449
dry and keeps you engaged. He's
constantly giving you pictures

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9201-3
01:12:01.449 --> 01:12:05.572
to visualize and humanize the
information that he's gleaned

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9201-4
01:12:05.572 --> 01:12:09.764
from research. But but as you
say, he's actually confronting

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9201-5
01:12:09.764 --> 01:12:12.856
quite frightening, momentous
topics as well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9211-0
01:12:15.476 --> 01:12:19.536
So this kind of art to it isn't
there from.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9220-0
01:12:20.246 --> 01:12:24.196
Sleeping between registers,
keeping the reader engaged.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9232-0
01:12:29.606 --> 01:12:33.376
From read a little bit more of
this and I'll read another

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9232-1
01:12:33.376 --> 01:12:33.896
section.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9291-0
01:12:35.516 --> 01:12:38.248
It was the greatest
environmental disaster in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9291-1
01:12:38.248 --> 01:12:41.752
British history. The damage in
Cardiff was extensive. What

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9291-2
01:12:41.752 --> 01:12:45.375
happened in Swansea as little
attested, although the tsunami

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9291-3
01:12:45.375 --> 01:12:48.998
was effects were felt as far
north as Cardigan must have had

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9291-4
01:12:48.998 --> 01:12:52.799
an impact. It certainly seems to
have made its mark east of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9291-5
01:12:52.799 --> 01:12:56.304
river and hamlet of Saint
Thomas, where it swept away most

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9291-6
01:12:56.304 --> 01:12:59.570
of the ancient and historic
Chapel of Saint Thomas the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9291-7
01:12:59.570 --> 01:12:59.986
Martyr.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9328-0
01:13:00.776 --> 01:13:04.713
Could there be another tsunami
here? Yes, according to tsunami

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9328-1
01:13:04.713 --> 01:13:08.713
expert Professor Mike Disney of
Cardiff University, there is no

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9328-2
01:13:08.713 --> 01:13:12.838
need to panic who's written, but
in low lying cities, the risk is

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9328-3
01:13:12.838 --> 01:13:13.776
not negotiable.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-0
01:13:14.426 --> 01:13:18.245
As Anami of 1607, dimensions
could sweep away half a million

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-1
01:13:18.245 --> 01:13:22.002
souls in this more densely
populated age. So if one day you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-2
01:13:22.002 --> 01:13:25.821
hear that half of the island of
La Palma has slipped at last

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-3
01:13:25.821 --> 01:13:29.390
into the Atlantic, or that a
large meteorite has hit the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-4
01:13:29.390 --> 01:13:33.523
ocean and it looks as if Swansea
Bay is about to pay the city the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-5
01:13:33.523 --> 01:13:37.280
most intimate of visits you
advised by Professor Disney not

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-6
01:13:37.280 --> 01:13:41.036
to jump into your car and take
it to the roads, which would

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-7
01:13:41.036 --> 01:13:45.044
quickly become traffic jams to
drown in. But simply to take the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9416-8
01:13:45.044 --> 01:13:46.296
nearest high ground.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9423-0
01:13:46.876 --> 01:13:48.546
Or multi Storey car park.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9433-0
01:13:49.286 --> 01:13:52.466
A start sea wall is recommended
as a longer term precaution.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9443-0
01:13:53.166 --> 01:13:56.896
But this Swansea has only here
and there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9451-0
01:13:57.606 --> 01:13:59.466
But this Swansea has only here
and there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9453-0
01:14:01.506 --> 01:14:02.176
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9458-0
01:14:02.866 --> 01:14:04.586
So here is again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9467-0
01:14:06.096 --> 01:14:09.466
Took you about potential for
another's senani.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9472-0
01:14:12.376 --> 01:14:14.246
And again he uses.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9474-0
01:14:15.406 --> 01:14:16.736
Technique to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9492-0
01:14:17.456 --> 01:14:21.070
I said we're humanized the
information, so if you dress as

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9492-1
01:14:21.070 --> 01:14:22.846
directly you, doesn't he and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9498-0
01:14:24.506 --> 01:14:26.916
He quotes Mike Disney directly.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9518-0
01:14:29.266 --> 01:14:32.770
He's slightly humorist sizes the
idea of running away, for

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9518-1
01:14:32.770 --> 01:14:36.096
example, from a large meteorite.
What you'd have to do.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9520-0
01:14:38.556 --> 01:14:39.136
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9531-0
01:14:39.896 --> 01:14:43.247
All the time. Although he's
dealing with with big fat and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9531-1
01:14:43.247 --> 01:14:44.056
possibilities.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9536-0
01:14:45.656 --> 01:14:46.936
There are these these.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9546-0
01:14:47.806 --> 01:14:51.925
Little touches that animate the
text and revolve and engage the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9546-1
01:14:51.925 --> 01:14:52.376
reader.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9556-0
01:14:53.406 --> 01:14:57.396
I think this is a very
interesting way to embed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9563-0
01:14:58.636 --> 01:15:00.996
Well, you might call heavy
factual research.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9570-0
01:15:06.646 --> 01:15:10.516
Haven't fallen tear just to read
this section from.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9574-0
01:15:11.326 --> 01:15:12.376
That the Bay.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9581-0
01:15:13.776 --> 01:15:16.956
Down to the bottom of the page.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9587-0
01:15:18.546 --> 01:15:19.926
I'm like, treat that for me.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9592-0
01:15:22.396 --> 01:15:23.486
And nominate someone.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9594-0
01:15:25.516 --> 01:15:26.026
Well then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9596-0
01:15:26.916 --> 01:15:27.676
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9600-0
01:15:28.866 --> 01:15:29.276
Thanks.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9603-0
01:15:29.466 --> 01:15:29.916
It's just.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9606-0
01:15:32.576 --> 01:15:32.916
Well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9613-0
01:15:34.786 --> 01:15:35.796
Can you sitting?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9612-0
01:15:34.986 --> 01:15:35.766
But the money?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9615-0
01:15:36.566 --> 01:15:37.056
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9622-0
01:15:37.506 --> 01:15:38.916
Hurry on. You can see it. OK?
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9650-0
01:15:39.456 --> 01:15:42.969
Yeah, that the Bay Office
Swansea so yielding only to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9650-1
01:15:42.969 --> 01:15:46.678
penetration is explained by the
relative softness of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9650-2
01:15:46.678 --> 01:15:50.386
underlaying coal measures and
the Millstone Grit shales.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9659-0
01:15:51.626 --> 01:15:54.386
Branches of coal spread out
beneath this.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9669-0
01:15:55.066 --> 01:15:59.904
A language of the sun locked by
the ancient trees in their

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9669-1
01:15:59.904 --> 01:16:00.396
cells.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9687-0
01:16:01.326 --> 01:16:05.961
And translated again by the
green to the green sun that goes

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9687-1
01:16:05.961 --> 01:16:08.696
to a spring through sinew and
bone.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9730-0
01:16:10.426 --> 01:16:14.418
Running in parallel across the
neck of the peninsula, Gaur and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9730-1
01:16:14.418 --> 01:16:18.346
out under the Bay, these rocks
were more easily eroded by ice

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9730-2
01:16:18.346 --> 01:16:22.528
and water than the comparatively
resistant Pennant, and sandstone

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9730-3
01:16:22.528 --> 01:16:25.696
and limestone which flanked them
North and South.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9746-0
01:16:26.726 --> 01:16:31.352
Constituting the more elevated
parts of Swansea. Well, there's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9746-1
01:16:31.352 --> 01:16:34.436
no Swansea Bay was dense with
vegetation.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9790-0
01:16:35.846 --> 01:16:39.627
From soon after the Thor began
began towards the end of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9790-1
01:16:39.627 --> 01:16:43.344
last eight siege until nearly
9000 years ago, when the sea

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9790-2
01:16:43.344 --> 01:16:47.251
broke in covering the fertile
river plain that stretched from

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9790-3
01:16:47.251 --> 01:16:48.196
here to Dalton.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9807-0
01:16:50.176 --> 01:16:54.636
The black, waterlogged remains
of these ancient trees, stumpy

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9807-1
01:16:54.636 --> 01:16:56.866
trunks, branches, root systems.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9834-0
01:16:57.586 --> 01:17:01.603
Can be seen on the foreshore at
Blackpill and the other vivians

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9834-1
01:17:01.603 --> 01:17:04.616
steam out four pipe in front of
the university.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9837-0
01:17:07.076 --> 01:17:07.436
Thank you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9847-0
01:17:10.616 --> 01:17:14.086
They comment anymore on on the
mix of styles here.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9859-0
01:17:19.736 --> 01:17:24.326
It kind of gives you a break
from the, UM, the information.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9872-0
01:17:25.666 --> 01:17:29.757
You know that been they've been
a poetry is kind of it's a rest,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9872-1
01:17:29.757 --> 01:17:30.386
a kind of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9880-0
01:17:31.026 --> 01:17:33.226
And the engages a different part
of your brain.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9886-0
01:17:33.806 --> 01:17:35.746
Hmm. Yes, yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9893-0
01:17:41.616 --> 01:17:43.766
He he's absolutely fulfilling.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9903-0
01:17:46.316 --> 01:17:49.786
This definition for travel,
writing it as drawing on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9909-0
01:17:50.556 --> 01:17:52.626
Kinds of modes, so we have.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9915-0
01:17:54.186 --> 01:17:56.036
Suppose the more geographical.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9917-0
01:17:57.096 --> 01:17:57.966
While watching.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9927-0
01:17:58.706 --> 01:18:00.596
Finding a parallax if it's
extra.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9924-0
01:17:59.216 --> 01:17:59.796
Yeah, but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9943-0
01:18:01.386 --> 01:18:05.376
I still feel that this isn't
really travel writing, it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9943-1
01:18:05.376 --> 01:18:06.916
writing about a place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9946-0
01:18:07.636 --> 01:18:08.226
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9986-0
01:18:07.826 --> 01:18:12.224
Because he is so much part of
it, he's talking to people who

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9986-1
01:18:12.224 --> 01:18:16.767
must want to be, like, really
know a lot about Swansea, have a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9986-2
01:18:16.767 --> 01:18:20.949
strong interest in Swansea,
about the area of rather than

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9986-3
01:18:20.949 --> 01:18:24.266
someone who's experiencing it as
an outsider.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9994-0
01:18:25.166 --> 01:18:26.516
Yes, yeah, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/9993-0
01:18:25.366 --> 01:18:26.296
Kisses. That's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10001-0
01:18:27.706 --> 01:18:29.456
We we do get that sense of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10026-0
01:18:31.236 --> 01:18:35.223
He he's been immersed in it all
his life and he's picked up

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10020-0
01:18:34.846 --> 01:18:35.206
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10026-1
01:18:35.223 --> 01:18:38.346
kinds of stories and steeped and
memories and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10037-0
01:18:38.956 --> 01:18:42.668
Umm electron. He talks about his
grandfather, his grandparents,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10037-1
01:18:42.668 --> 01:18:43.596
doesn't he? And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10043-0
01:18:44.696 --> 01:18:46.486
I was 1-6 people and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10049-0
01:18:47.556 --> 01:18:49.526
Involved in shipping and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10089-0
01:18:52.266 --> 01:18:55.642
But then trouble writing, I
think is a very, very loose

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10089-1
01:18:55.642 --> 01:18:59.562
umbrella, and I suppose this is
an example of writing that other

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10089-2
01:18:59.562 --> 01:19:03.481
kind of writing about place that
we were talking about. That is,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10089-3
01:19:03.481 --> 01:19:06.616
as you say about, it's quite
immersive. It's about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10106-0
01:19:07.656 --> 01:19:11.567
You're feeling a place up, I
said. It's it's kind of have you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10106-1
01:19:11.567 --> 01:19:13.586
come across the term palimpsest?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10162-0
01:19:15.546 --> 01:19:20.790
Which is it's essentially where
you have one story layered on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10162-1
01:19:20.790 --> 01:19:26.202
top of another and and as you go
through this piece, it kind of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10162-2
01:19:26.202 --> 01:19:31.531
flows very intuitively from from
one story from one historical

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10162-3
01:19:31.531 --> 01:19:36.605
incident into another, and using
these little anecdotal and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10162-4
01:19:36.605 --> 01:19:41.680
fictive details to to bring
things alive. But it's if it's,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10162-5
01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:43.456
if you're going down.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10191-0
01:19:43.816 --> 01:19:47.232
Almost into a globe and and
we're an onion and peeling off

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10191-1
01:19:47.232 --> 01:19:50.879
one there and then another. It
gives you a very kind of almost

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10191-2
01:19:50.879 --> 01:19:52.326
archaeological composite.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10193-0
01:19:53.106 --> 01:19:53.656
Feel.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10196-0
01:19:55.076 --> 01:19:55.806
Which is.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10213-0
01:19:57.596 --> 01:20:01.660
Interesting way of writing about
something. It's not linear,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10213-1
01:20:01.660 --> 01:20:02.926
particularly as it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10217-0
01:20:04.896 --> 01:20:06.826
We moved from.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10220-0
01:20:08.006 --> 01:20:08.676
Took about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10243-0
01:20:09.766 --> 01:20:13.763
The Bay and the root systems and
the soil to folk memories. And

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10243-1
01:20:13.763 --> 01:20:17.386
then we move again to sewage
systems and then we move to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10265-0
01:20:21.826 --> 01:20:26.184
Took about the kind of vessels
of the past used to Swansea Bay

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10265-1
01:20:26.184 --> 01:20:27.706
and ones who find now.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10273-0
01:20:28.396 --> 01:20:31.096
And the job of being a pilot,
UM.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10282-0
01:20:32.246 --> 01:20:34.776
So it's like story under story
under story.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10295-0
01:20:36.606 --> 01:20:40.114
Select a mixture of like nature
and industry of Swansea as well

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10295-1
01:20:40.114 --> 01:20:41.156
bringing it all in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10297-0
01:20:42.266 --> 01:20:42.676
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10321-0
01:20:44.456 --> 01:20:48.312
Yeah, I think the starting point
is Swansea, isn't it? And then

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10321-1
01:20:48.312 --> 01:20:52.228
it's everything as it relates to
Swansea. So climate change with

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10321-2
01:20:52.228 --> 01:20:54.036
a Swansea sort of perspective.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10336-0
01:20:55.286 --> 01:20:57.906
And yeah, the the history and
everything that there's been a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10336-1
01:20:57.906 --> 01:20:59.366
lot of things have gone on
there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10361-0
01:21:00.276 --> 01:21:04.330
I feel a long period of time, so
yes, it's a huge amount of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10361-1
01:21:04.330 --> 01:21:07.506
information. He knows a lot of
stuff about it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10373-0
01:21:08.276 --> 01:21:12.746
Yes, but but the way he uses
that information.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10388-0
01:21:14.196 --> 01:21:17.914
It's it's very it's linked very
organically, isn't it? And and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10388-1
01:21:17.914 --> 01:21:18.976
all the time he's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10396-0
01:21:21.096 --> 01:21:23.746
He's trying to bring it alive to
us as a reader.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10403-0
01:21:25.676 --> 01:21:28.226
Is 2 squared, so just painting
scene.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10408-0
01:21:29.736 --> 01:21:31.576
Typing just slightly witty.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10413-0
01:21:33.786 --> 01:21:34.836
And he's using.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10423-0
01:21:35.626 --> 01:21:38.356
Although he himself is very much
in the background.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10433-0
01:21:40.256 --> 01:21:42.066
His personal relationship to the
place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10442-0
01:21:43.666 --> 01:21:46.826
He's there in the tone of voice
and the way he manages.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10445-0
01:21:47.576 --> 01:21:48.626
The information.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10453-0
01:21:49.546 --> 01:21:52.896
And it's interesting interesting
way to write and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10461-0
01:21:54.646 --> 01:21:55.576
I think he could.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10463-0
01:21:54.716 --> 01:21:56.076
I guess this ohh sorry.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10470-0
01:21:56.526 --> 01:21:57.876
You carry on. Yeah, carry on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10488-0
01:21:57.706 --> 01:22:02.666
I think it raises that question
as well. Can you write well

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10488-1
01:22:02.666 --> 01:22:06.056
about a place without really
knowing it?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10497-0
01:22:07.296 --> 01:22:10.946
Or does longevity in a place
matter?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10504-0
01:22:11.376 --> 01:22:14.096
And also you can but you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10517-0
01:22:15.736 --> 01:22:18.859
I think that's an interesting
question in relation to travel

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10517-1
01:22:18.859 --> 01:22:20.036
writing. You know what?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10528-0
01:22:21.056 --> 01:22:26.006
What makes it what is a valid
perspective or?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10531-0
01:22:28.206 --> 01:22:29.246
Yeah. So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10546-0
01:22:30.656 --> 01:22:34.605
That's a yeah. Really important
question. Is there an ask, got

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10536-0
01:22:30.676 --> 01:22:31.306
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10546-1
01:22:34.605 --> 01:22:35.796
any thoughts about?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10550-0
01:22:36.686 --> 01:22:38.526
Point that non just raised.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10572-0
01:22:39.776 --> 01:22:43.783
Yeah, it's we're supposed to
kind of going back to Palin it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10572-1
01:22:43.783 --> 01:22:47.856
It is the snapshots, really. And
it it and it's interactions.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10598-0
01:22:49.236 --> 01:22:53.058
And because he's doing what's
the the round the world saying

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10598-1
01:22:53.058 --> 01:22:56.818
he's really not there long
enough to go into into it in any

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10598-2
01:22:56.818 --> 01:22:57.946
depth at all, but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10629-0
01:22:59.666 --> 01:23:04.455
Thinking about his the series on
on TV, you would send me deep

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10629-1
01:23:04.455 --> 01:23:09.244
dive at moments because he'd met
somebody who'd given him that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10629-2
01:23:09.244 --> 01:23:10.156
information.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10650-0
01:23:10.856 --> 01:23:13.909
And you kind of take that run
with it for like a couple of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10650-1
01:23:13.909 --> 01:23:17.169
sentences, and then he'd be off
onto the next thing. And it's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10650-2
01:23:17.169 --> 01:23:18.256
And that's very much.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10660-0
01:23:19.046 --> 01:23:21.556
A completely different way of
writing me isn't that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10662-0
01:23:21.636 --> 01:23:22.186
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10671-0
01:23:22.606 --> 01:23:23.606
It's it's kind of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10674-0
01:23:22.866 --> 01:23:24.596
And I guess then, sorry.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10683-0
01:23:24.676 --> 01:23:25.986
Well, yeah, I carry on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10684-0
01:23:25.746 --> 01:23:26.256
Carry on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10691-0
01:23:28.696 --> 01:23:30.726
I don't have most retrying the
thought though. Sorry.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10716-0
01:23:30.906 --> 01:23:35.312
Uh, sorry, I guess. Like what
you're saying is well then

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10697-0
01:23:33.126 --> 01:23:33.316
The.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10716-1
01:23:35.312 --> 01:23:39.951
relates to like, how how people
relate to place and how you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10714-0
01:23:39.666 --> 01:23:40.156
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10716-2
01:23:39.951 --> 01:23:40.956
can't really.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10719-0
01:23:42.106 --> 01:23:43.326
Separate the two.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10742-0
01:23:44.476 --> 01:23:48.257
Really. So, you know, you could
write something talking about

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10742-1
01:23:48.257 --> 01:23:52.098
landscape, but can you really
accurately write about landscape

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10742-2
01:23:52.098 --> 01:23:52.586
without?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10761-0
01:23:53.386 --> 01:23:57.535
Involving people or the
communities that that live in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10761-1
01:23:57.535 --> 01:24:01.146
them or near them and and that I
guess that's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10773-0
01:24:02.036 --> 01:24:05.588
That's an important question. I
guess in the last piece, I felt

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10773-1
01:24:05.588 --> 01:24:05.866
that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10779-0
01:24:08.186 --> 01:24:09.736
You know, it was very much.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10805-0
01:24:11.366 --> 01:24:15.080
More Wright him writing about
himself rather than writing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10805-1
01:24:15.080 --> 01:24:19.179
about the place where he was, I
guess because of all all of his

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10805-2
01:24:19.179 --> 01:24:21.356
interactions felt quite
sweeping.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10826-0
01:24:22.046 --> 01:24:27.246
And there was an adapt to
wanting to know, and I know it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10819-0
01:24:24.766 --> 01:24:25.326
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10826-1
01:24:27.246 --> 01:24:29.436
was just a tiny whereas.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10829-0
01:24:29.616 --> 01:24:31.586
And I feel.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10856-0
01:24:33.366 --> 01:24:36.199
Like could you? Could you
really? Yeah. So I guess is that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10856-1
01:24:36.199 --> 01:24:39.127
like you were saying, you know,
that that depth of knowledge

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10856-2
01:24:39.127 --> 01:24:42.056
came because perhaps he spoke to
somebody who then provided?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10872-0
01:24:42.766 --> 01:24:46.596
That information, which makes
you relate to the physical place

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10872-1
01:24:46.596 --> 01:24:48.906
differently. Do you know what I
mean?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10867-0
01:24:47.596 --> 01:24:48.056
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10896-0
01:24:49.766 --> 01:24:52.890
Yeah, I think I like with her.
It's it's a lot about

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10880-0
01:24:50.436 --> 01:24:50.786
Was it?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10896-1
01:24:52.890 --> 01:24:55.896
interactions with people, isn't
it on his travels.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10900-0
01:24:57.166 --> 01:24:57.566
Hmm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10910-0
01:24:57.496 --> 01:25:01.176
As much or maybe more than than
the actual physical landscape.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10923-0
01:25:02.426 --> 01:25:04.216
It's it's very often snapshot.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10924-0
01:25:02.456 --> 01:25:04.596
And I think there's also a
question of how much.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10926-0
01:25:05.076 --> 01:25:05.346
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/10928-0
01:25:05.346 --> 01:25:05.756
Sorry.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11001-0
01:25:06.886 --> 01:25:10.640
How much anyone ever really
knows a place? You know where I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11001-1
01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:14.144
live? It's one of the areas
where lots of companies are

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11001-2
01:25:14.144 --> 01:25:17.961
buying up farmland and planting
trees. And now I meet people

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11001-3
01:25:17.961 --> 01:25:21.777
when I'm out walking the dogs,
who think that it's a sort of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11001-4
01:25:21.777 --> 01:25:25.657
Country Park. And I remember it
had sheep on it, but I've not

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11001-5
01:25:25.657 --> 01:25:29.411
lived here. Yeah, I've lived in
20 years. It's not all that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11001-6
01:25:29.411 --> 01:25:33.415
long. And even the farmers who
have strongly opposing the trees

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11001-7
01:25:33.415 --> 01:25:36.356
because they believe that hills
are for sheep.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11052-0
01:25:36.436 --> 01:25:40.237
There was a time before the
hills were for sheep, when they

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11052-1
01:25:40.237 --> 01:25:43.467
were probably more heavily
wooded, so landscape in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11052-2
01:25:43.467 --> 01:25:47.205
particular is is is always
changing, isn't it? And then in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11052-3
01:25:47.205 --> 01:25:50.752
quite a small space of time, you
might have a different

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11052-4
01:25:50.752 --> 01:25:54.236
interpretation of it from one
local than from another.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11062-0
01:25:57.926 --> 01:26:00.146
There's no but it questions
really.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11061-0
01:25:58.586 --> 01:25:58.936
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11066-0
01:26:07.016 --> 01:26:09.346
I guess I'm just thinking about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11076-0
01:26:11.056 --> 01:26:13.286
Much about place yourselves on
nonfiction.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11082-0
01:26:15.146 --> 01:26:16.966
Watching about places to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11100-0
01:26:17.846 --> 01:26:20.998
And she decided what your
priorities are, what your

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11100-1
01:26:20.998 --> 01:26:24.695
relationship is to the place,
what you want to say about it,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11100-2
01:26:24.695 --> 01:26:25.786
where you want to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11102-0
01:26:26.726 --> 01:26:27.556
Picture.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11117-0
01:26:28.576 --> 01:26:32.311
Expiration if you like, and and
that and it's in turn will

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11117-1
01:26:32.311 --> 01:26:34.906
determine the amount of research
you do.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11118-0
01:26:35.566 --> 01:26:36.056
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11126-0
01:26:40.346 --> 01:26:42.536
And this is other question of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11142-0
01:26:44.256 --> 01:26:49.108
The grey areas and research, the
things that the hearsay that are

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11142-1
01:26:49.108 --> 01:26:50.946
not necessarily provable.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11148-0
01:26:54.026 --> 01:26:56.536
Why you stand in relation to
that and?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11163-0
01:26:58.896 --> 01:27:03.156
How you make your research vivid
and alive and relevant within

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11163-1
01:27:03.156 --> 01:27:04.306
the text as well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11166-0
01:27:06.096 --> 01:27:06.716
Coverage.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11176-0
01:27:07.596 --> 01:27:10.646
It becomes filter for the the
tangibility of the place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11194-0
01:27:12.846 --> 01:27:17.573
And I guess there is a place for
how does a place feel? As an

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11194-1
01:27:17.573 --> 01:27:21.156
outsider, there's a place for
that as a valid.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11199-0
01:27:22.736 --> 01:27:22.976
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11201-0
01:27:22.776 --> 01:27:24.016
Thing to write about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11203-0
01:27:24.976 --> 01:27:25.516
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11213-0
01:27:26.426 --> 01:27:30.386
You know, so as you know, I'm
just experiencing this place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11217-0
01:27:32.336 --> 01:27:32.826
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11216-0
01:27:32.356 --> 01:27:32.816
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11222-0
01:27:34.666 --> 01:27:35.996
Yeah, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11257-0
01:27:35.936 --> 01:27:39.473
Yeah, and that that could be the
whole topic of of a piece in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11257-1
01:27:39.473 --> 01:27:43.066
itself, relationships like this
is we're going to have a break

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11235-0
01:27:40.116 --> 01:27:40.446
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11257-2
01:27:43.066 --> 01:27:46.375
now for about 10 minutes and
then we'll come back to that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11257-3
01:27:46.375 --> 01:27:49.056
because that is also one of the
questions and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11261-0
01:27:49.926 --> 01:27:50.916
That time.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11268-0
01:27:52.096 --> 01:27:54.626
Graced by psychogeography, which
will look at.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11295-0
01:27:55.636 --> 01:28:00.032
To the break we look at, I think
we'll also then look at our

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11295-1
01:28:00.032 --> 01:28:04.427
piece by Pam Petro. Did anybody
read the extract from? Yeah,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11295-2
01:28:04.427 --> 01:28:05.076
good. OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11299-0
01:28:05.446 --> 01:28:05.866
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11330-0
01:28:05.776 --> 01:28:10.064
And and if there's time, we'll
do an exercise as well. We'll

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11330-1
01:28:10.064 --> 01:28:14.633
see how second-half evolves. OK,
so go and have 10 minute coffee

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11330-2
01:28:14.633 --> 01:28:19.132
break. Is that long enough, or
do you want quarter an hour? How

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11330-3
01:28:19.132 --> 01:28:20.186
people feeling?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11332-0
01:28:21.336 --> 01:28:21.616
Right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11345-0
01:28:24.156 --> 01:28:28.780
10 minutes long enough. Yep.
Yep. Alright then. So we'll come

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11337-0
01:28:25.536 --> 01:28:25.826
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11345-1
01:28:28.780 --> 01:28:29.526
back here.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11359-0
01:28:31.496 --> 01:28:35.336
And it's just coming up short.
Yeah. And in 10 minutes time.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11371-0
01:28:37.136 --> 01:28:40.942
I'll leave. I'll leave record
running. So yeah. Just stay in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11371-1
01:28:40.942 --> 01:28:41.566
place and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11378-0
01:28:42.676 --> 01:28:46.466
OK, we'll see you there.
Alright. Brilliant.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11507-0
01:38:23.276 --> 01:38:23.836
I know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11517-0
01:38:25.926 --> 01:38:29.136
Hi. I just had the quickest tuna
salad and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11522-0
01:38:29.876 --> 01:38:32.186
Oh, you're right that right,
yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11527-0
01:38:34.306 --> 01:38:35.556
Take a picture. It all over me.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11532-0
01:38:38.806 --> 01:38:39.926
Good stuff beetroot.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11536-0
01:38:43.566 --> 01:38:44.636
I love beetroot.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11546-0
01:38:46.006 --> 01:38:48.896
Yeah, me too. Yeah, be true.
Suffering more.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11557-0
01:38:48.176 --> 01:38:51.201
Straight from the garden or
where my grandma. She makes it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11557-1
01:38:51.201 --> 01:38:51.856
She boils it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11556-0
01:38:51.386 --> 01:38:51.686
Nice.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11565-0
01:38:52.426 --> 01:38:53.576
Ohh happiness.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11564-0
01:38:52.686 --> 01:38:53.306
Beautiful.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11571-0
01:38:55.766 --> 01:38:57.376
Yeah. No, it's really, really
good for you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11573-0
01:38:57.926 --> 01:38:58.316
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11580-0
01:39:04.136 --> 01:39:05.736
Should we start again, folks?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11583-0
01:39:11.436 --> 01:39:12.046
Shut up.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11592-0
01:39:26.406 --> 01:39:27.846
I was just thinking as well
about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11603-0
01:39:28.596 --> 01:39:32.496
The Palin and Michael Jenkins.
Uh. Nigel Jenkins.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11615-0
01:39:33.496 --> 01:39:36.435
There's a difference of how
immersed you want to be as a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11615-1
01:39:36.435 --> 01:39:36.796
reader.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11638-0
01:39:37.936 --> 01:39:41.507
And and the breadth and depth of
Nigel's, some people want want

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11624-0
01:39:37.946 --> 01:39:39.026
Yes, sure.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11638-1
01:39:41.507 --> 01:39:44.967
that so quickly. Some people
might like, you know, Palins and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11638-2
01:39:44.967 --> 01:39:45.246
then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11670-0
01:39:46.126 --> 01:39:49.930
Should you enjoy that, then you
can do further exploration on on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11670-1
01:39:49.930 --> 01:39:53.675
the place and it it depends on
how it means you want to be. You

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11670-2
01:39:53.675 --> 01:39:57.362
know some people like it quick
and fast and over and done with

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11670-3
01:39:57.362 --> 01:39:57.596
but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11678-0
01:39:58.106 --> 01:40:00.646
Yeah, yeah, definitely. People
go to go to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11693-0
01:40:01.426 --> 01:40:04.006
Trouble writing for different
reasons, I guess, and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11694-0
01:40:03.616 --> 01:40:05.366
Yeah, it depends on the reader,
doesn't it?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11702-0
01:40:05.386 --> 01:40:07.876
It does very much depend on the
reader.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11709-0
01:40:11.166 --> 01:40:13.076
And I suppose yeah. And of
course.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11728-0
01:40:15.366 --> 01:40:18.495
Knowing what sort of greedy
you're aiming for as well, and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11731-0
01:40:18.466 --> 01:40:20.596
Umm, but you can never do
because.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11728-1
01:40:18.495 --> 01:40:19.556
you're you're right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11745-0
01:40:21.766 --> 01:40:25.176
And you know, unless you have,
unless you established and you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11745-1
01:40:25.176 --> 01:40:26.826
have your, you know, audience.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11755-0
01:40:29.396 --> 01:40:31.126
Yes, I'll two point.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11782-0
01:40:30.376 --> 01:40:34.743
Which by now was, I think, Palin
is by now, but back then 80s

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11769-0
01:40:33.696 --> 01:40:35.126
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11782-1
01:40:34.743 --> 01:40:38.476
nineties is he's just a comedic,
you know, comedian.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11774-0
01:40:36.206 --> 01:40:36.506
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11785-0
01:40:39.086 --> 01:40:39.866
Tell me something.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11792-0
01:40:41.826 --> 01:40:43.686
Writers are definitely brand,
aren't they?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11797-0
01:40:44.866 --> 01:40:45.426
Percent.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11803-0
01:40:48.296 --> 01:40:50.496
People have particular
expectations.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11816-0
01:40:53.626 --> 01:40:57.185
I think it's quite an appetite
for the kind of writing that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11816-1
01:40:57.185 --> 01:40:58.016
Nigel Jenkins.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11821-0
01:41:00.026 --> 01:41:01.476
Producing as well, I mean.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11828-0
01:41:06.896 --> 01:41:09.296
It's a very wide field though.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11830-0
01:41:10.646 --> 01:41:11.096
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11832-0
01:41:12.246 --> 01:41:12.706
Hi.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11839-0
01:41:13.736 --> 01:41:15.966
We need to go back. Almost got
Claire.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11844-0
01:41:20.656 --> 01:41:21.826
What's bunt trip today?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11855-0
01:41:22.916 --> 01:41:28.006
Uh, right. OK. So I want to move
on then just to think.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11885-0
01:41:28.086 --> 01:41:31.579
Umm, about branch of writing
about place that we call

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11885-1
01:41:31.579 --> 01:41:35.655
psychogeography and I asked you
to do a little bit of research

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11885-2
01:41:35.655 --> 01:41:39.730
into what this is. I don't know
if anyone had time and came up

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11885-3
01:41:39.730 --> 01:41:40.636
with anything.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11888-0
01:41:42.366 --> 01:41:43.296
Distinguished.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11895-0
01:41:48.046 --> 01:41:49.426
And on the anything to share?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11902-0
01:41:53.626 --> 01:41:55.746
I found some stuff on the Tate.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11904-0
01:41:56.386 --> 01:41:56.966
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11906-0
01:41:57.236 --> 01:41:57.796
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11909-0
01:41:58.176 --> 01:41:59.006
Website.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11911-0
01:41:59.506 --> 01:41:59.946
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11916-0
01:42:00.466 --> 01:42:01.576
On it and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11936-0
01:42:02.796 --> 01:42:06.947
One of the IT had a definition,
the effect of geographical

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11936-1
01:42:06.947 --> 01:42:10.746
location on the emotions and
behavior of individuals.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11938-0
01:42:11.326 --> 01:42:11.706
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11965-0
01:42:12.296 --> 01:42:17.334
And and then it related it to
certain artists. And you know,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11965-1
01:42:17.334 --> 01:42:22.702
movements throughout history. So
and the the influence of visual

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11965-2
01:42:22.702 --> 01:42:26.996
art on writing and which I
thought was interesting.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11972-0
01:42:28.356 --> 01:42:30.246
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's great.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11992-0
01:42:31.366 --> 01:42:36.834
So that's that's really the core
element. I think the the effect

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11992-1
01:42:36.834 --> 01:42:41.376
that place has on the way people
behave and feel and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11994-0
01:42:42.326 --> 01:42:43.096
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/11998-0
01:42:47.366 --> 01:42:48.236
I suppose.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12029-0
01:42:49.576 --> 01:42:52.998
What that says about a
particular society in that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12029-1
01:42:52.998 --> 01:42:57.106
particular power structures as
well, and like you say, it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12029-2
01:42:57.106 --> 01:42:59.296
it's a kind of blanket term for.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12049-0
01:43:00.796 --> 01:43:04.354
So tendencies and art and
particular literatures were

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12049-1
01:43:04.354 --> 01:43:08.506
folded, I suppose since the 19th
century and before then even.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12067-0
01:43:10.736 --> 01:43:15.290
Linked to the planners of Paris
and figures like border there,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12067-1
01:43:15.290 --> 01:43:16.736
and particularly to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12081-0
01:43:17.606 --> 01:43:21.431
Urban explorations, explorations
of cities on foot, particularly

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12081-1
01:43:21.431 --> 01:43:23.196
leaked to Paris and to London.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12084-0
01:43:24.516 --> 01:43:25.086
But.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12110-0
01:43:28.076 --> 01:43:32.508
Functioning quite a playful way,
so it had strong links to the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12110-1
01:43:32.508 --> 01:43:36.940
surrealists and then later on to
groups called the letters and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12110-2
01:43:36.940 --> 01:43:38.066
Situation. It's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12124-0
01:43:39.596 --> 01:43:43.552
To chat called Guy Debord's
often slighted relations

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12124-1
01:43:43.552 --> 01:43:44.746
psychogeography.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12131-0
01:43:45.636 --> 01:43:47.646
I'm it's really all about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12141-0
01:43:47.726 --> 01:43:52.386
And I'm coming at place and
particularly urban places.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12173-0
01:43:53.736 --> 01:43:58.529
In in a quite a radical way. So
instead of following the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12173-1
01:43:58.529 --> 01:44:03.657
prescribed routes and going to
spaces for particular reasons

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12173-2
01:44:03.657 --> 01:44:08.366
because they are the the
nominated reasons if you like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12227-0
01:44:09.486 --> 01:44:13.968
It's about coming at them
naturally with an open mind,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12227-1
01:44:13.968 --> 01:44:18.777
with no particular agenda
drifting around the city, seeing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12227-2
01:44:18.777 --> 01:44:23.993
how different spaces affect you,
connecting to what you see and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12227-3
01:44:23.993 --> 01:44:29.209
what happens on the way. But in
a very creative and spontaneous

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12227-4
01:44:29.209 --> 01:44:34.262
way. So it's a kind of really
kind of artistic practice. It's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12227-5
01:44:34.262 --> 01:44:38.826
sometimes being criticized as
flavoring privileged men.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12247-0
01:44:38.906 --> 01:44:43.005
3 white men who don't have the
obstacles that women have in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12247-1
01:44:43.005 --> 01:44:47.036
wandering freely or that, you
know, maybe people of color.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12276-0
01:44:48.236 --> 01:44:52.878
People with disabilities and and
there's been quite a lot of work

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12276-1
01:44:52.878 --> 01:44:56.746
done recently on, on redressing
that balance bunched a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12276-2
01:44:56.746 --> 01:45:00.826
Metropolitan University did a
whole project on on women's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12276-3
01:45:00.826 --> 01:45:03.006
perspective on psychogeography.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12282-0
01:45:05.056 --> 01:45:06.606
And it advocated.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12297-0
01:45:07.576 --> 01:45:11.742
Practice called the derive or
the drift, which was very much

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12297-1
01:45:11.742 --> 01:45:14.406
what it it says it is, which is
about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12312-0
01:45:15.566 --> 01:45:19.219
Drifting around an area or a
city with no particular gender,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12312-1
01:45:19.219 --> 01:45:20.776
no particular destination.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12331-0
01:45:22.426 --> 01:45:26.185
And he's starting point, you
could give yourself directions,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12331-1
01:45:26.185 --> 01:45:28.526
but I'm not with any engine view
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12354-0
01:45:29.776 --> 01:45:33.731
And and and in this process
being alert to atmosphere to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12354-1
01:45:33.731 --> 01:45:36.506
patterns, to the random things
you see.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12380-0
01:45:37.236 --> 01:45:41.879
Two feelings to the stories that
might be embedded in that place

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12380-1
01:45:41.879 --> 01:45:46.307
that wouldn't otherwise come to
your attention, and it's also

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12380-2
01:45:46.307 --> 01:45:47.236
been used as.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12408-0
01:45:48.656 --> 01:45:53.555
So means exploring marginalized
places, fringe lands, edge lands

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12408-1
01:45:53.555 --> 01:45:57.926
in Sinclair very famously did a
walking tour of the F-25.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12411-0
01:45:59.216 --> 01:45:59.556
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12416-0
01:46:00.066 --> 01:46:01.186
Few decades back.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12419-0
01:46:03.406 --> 01:46:04.186
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12432-0
01:46:05.336 --> 01:46:09.886
Pretty much seen as radical way
of relating to space.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12438-0
01:46:10.656 --> 01:46:13.076
But often linked to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12440-0
01:46:13.176 --> 01:46:13.726
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12465-0
01:46:15.466 --> 01:46:19.613
Nostalgia in the sense of
uncovering the past of perhaps

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12465-1
01:46:19.613 --> 01:46:23.688
of of linking into the more
spiritual occult aspects of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12465-2
01:46:23.688 --> 01:46:24.416
place and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12477-0
01:46:25.646 --> 01:46:30.491
So anti modernist in that sense,
but at the same time also

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12477-1
01:46:30.491 --> 01:46:31.476
celebrating.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12487-0
01:46:32.676 --> 01:46:35.786
The weird spaces that have come
from modernism like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12495-0
01:46:36.566 --> 01:46:40.366
Retail parks and railway lines
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12505-0
01:46:42.786 --> 01:46:45.436
Back ends of factories and this
kind of thing so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12513-0
01:46:48.836 --> 01:46:51.486
Not without its internal
contradictions.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12548-0
01:46:53.956 --> 01:46:58.680
And I think the most useful
thing for us, I think really is

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12548-1
01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:03.482
another way of arthritis as a
particular way of approaching,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12548-2
01:47:03.482 --> 01:47:08.206
exploring space that there isn't
as much travel writing is.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12554-0
01:47:09.526 --> 01:47:11.696
Goal orientated or?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12559-0
01:47:15.006 --> 01:47:17.606
Particularly grafted to one
location.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12566-0
01:47:18.906 --> 01:47:20.416
But if I'm letting your.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12583-0
01:47:21.226 --> 01:47:25.657
Conscious and your emotions and
your own identity, and come into

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12583-1
01:47:25.657 --> 01:47:29.066
play and exploring how that's
reflected in place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12587-0
01:47:30.866 --> 01:47:32.026
Let's take a look.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12611-0
01:47:32.736 --> 01:47:36.488
No, actually, Umm, senior got
any comments or anything they

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12611-1
01:47:36.488 --> 01:47:40.052
want to add or questions before
we look to piece I would

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12611-2
01:47:40.052 --> 01:47:41.866
describe as psychogeographic.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12620-0
01:47:43.766 --> 01:47:45.476
Anything else that non found
out?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12623-0
01:47:46.366 --> 01:47:47.296
Researching.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12640-0
01:47:50.036 --> 01:47:54.046
It's just the same things that
came up that will self comes up

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12640-1
01:47:54.046 --> 01:47:55.446
a lot guide the board.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12638-0
01:47:54.196 --> 01:47:55.156
Yes, yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12643-0
01:47:55.996 --> 01:47:56.336
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12651-0
01:47:56.126 --> 01:47:59.936
I use the will self videos to
understand it a bit.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12670-0
01:48:00.696 --> 01:48:04.349
Was easier to understand from
the videos, but just embodiment

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12670-1
01:48:04.349 --> 01:48:07.766
experience emotions and again
how people feel and behave.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12698-0
01:48:08.346 --> 01:48:13.229
Umm. In certain environment and
walking like you could practice

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12698-1
01:48:13.229 --> 01:48:17.653
it's it's it's a practice. But
you know it, it depends on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12698-2
01:48:17.653 --> 01:48:22.231
whether it's literally used or
it could be for many reasons

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12698-3
01:48:22.231 --> 01:48:22.536
but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12704-0
01:48:23.666 --> 01:48:24.936
In this context, obviously we.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12710-0
01:48:25.616 --> 01:48:26.546
Michael Jackson.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12715-0
01:48:28.726 --> 01:48:30.176
Yeah, yeah. So exactly.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12723-0
01:48:31.706 --> 01:48:35.226
Umm, I think it's kind of
practice where.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12729-0
01:48:36.576 --> 01:48:38.286
The self is quite primary.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12736-0
01:48:38.366 --> 01:48:42.056
Umm, but also the sense of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12768-0
01:48:44.616 --> 01:48:48.225
Interrogating what space is
really are what they've become,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12768-1
01:48:48.225 --> 01:48:51.894
what they're for, and so it does
have this kind of political

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12755-0
01:48:48.696 --> 01:48:48.926
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12768-2
01:48:51.894 --> 01:48:52.856
dimensions well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12770-0
01:48:55.606 --> 01:48:55.976
That's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12778-0
01:48:56.886 --> 01:48:59.276
Bring up the piece by Pam
trucks.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12791-0
01:49:03.036 --> 01:49:06.312
OK, so I don't know if anyone's
read her book. The long field.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12791-1
01:49:06.312 --> 01:49:07.196
It was published.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12805-0
01:49:07.976 --> 01:49:12.046
Last year, I believe shortlisted
for Wells Book at the airport.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12813-0
01:49:13.806 --> 01:49:17.136
Pamela Petra's, uh, actually
American author.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12829-0
01:49:18.506 --> 01:49:24.162
But she has, UM, some critical
relationship with Wales and she

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12829-1
01:49:24.162 --> 01:49:26.676
comes through every year to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12839-0
01:49:27.656 --> 01:49:31.806
Her romance Dominic Williams,
the Dylan Thomas summer school.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12841-0
01:49:33.806 --> 01:49:34.306
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12856-0
01:49:35.306 --> 01:49:38.824
This, particularly in this book,
she's particularly interested in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12856-1
01:49:38.824 --> 01:49:40.316
the notion of hiraeth which?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12858-0
01:49:40.406 --> 01:49:41.106
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12873-0
01:49:42.426 --> 01:49:45.195
You know, you may have your own
views of what you're 8th is and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12873-1
01:49:45.195 --> 01:49:46.536
whether it's a credible notion.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12883-0
01:49:47.546 --> 01:49:51.376
Even something that still want
to associate with Wales but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12895-0
01:49:52.686 --> 01:49:56.583
She sees it in a kind of quite
an emotional and philosophical

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12895-1
01:49:56.583 --> 01:49:57.526
night as being.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12899-0
01:49:58.876 --> 01:50:00.646
State of being both.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12906-0
01:50:02.756 --> 01:50:05.916
Belonging to a place and not
belonging, I suppose, and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12913-0
01:50:07.556 --> 01:50:10.036
I kind of creativity that that
generates.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12921-0
01:50:11.966 --> 01:50:15.016
This is an extract. When she
went off to climb.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12929-0
01:50:17.426 --> 01:50:19.996
Starting with so close friends
of hers.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12944-0
01:50:23.216 --> 01:50:27.634
OK, I'll read. I'll read this to
you. I might handover part way

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12944-1
01:50:27.634 --> 01:50:28.186
through.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12980-0
01:50:30.326 --> 01:50:34.290
Relentless curtains of rain
falling since breakfast have

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12980-1
01:50:34.290 --> 01:50:37.837
risen, now revealing a
stupendously sunny morning.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12980-2
01:50:37.837 --> 01:50:42.010
Every blade of grass, every
sheep, every quartz. Slept rock

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/12980-3
01:50:42.010 --> 01:50:44.096
gleams as of scrubbed by hand.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13024-0
01:50:45.276 --> 01:50:49.453
The Blues have distance pulse
with ultramarine light and cloud

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13024-1
01:50:49.453 --> 01:50:53.631
shadows appear sharp enough to
cut you. I profess happiness to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13024-2
01:50:53.631 --> 01:50:57.477
Annie and Caroline. Now the
weather won't keep us off the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13024-3
01:50:57.477 --> 01:51:01.654
mountain, I said brightly. But
secretly, I'm disappointed. Now

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13024-4
01:51:01.654 --> 01:51:03.246
I have to do this thing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13040-0
01:51:05.176 --> 01:51:09.190
My heart lifts when we find that
the Penna Pass car park next

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13040-1
01:51:09.190 --> 01:51:10.226
ambaris is full.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13059-0
01:51:11.116 --> 01:51:15.267
It sinks when we discover spaces
in the Nat. Paris locked down

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13059-1
01:51:15.267 --> 01:51:17.836
the road, a shuttle runs between
them.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13069-0
01:51:18.626 --> 01:51:21.276
We squeeze aboard next to a
standard poodle.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13087-0
01:51:22.166 --> 01:51:25.484
Are all these people, I wonder,
really going up the mountain

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13087-1
01:51:25.484 --> 01:51:27.116
today? Is the poodle going to?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13101-0
01:51:28.036 --> 01:51:31.022
We're going to have an
adventure. Exclaims any well

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13101-1
01:51:31.022 --> 01:51:33.606
known for outbursts of boundless
enthusiasm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13106-0
01:51:34.436 --> 01:51:35.446
I went so little.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13150-0
01:51:36.696 --> 01:51:40.183
And Encoura line have been a
couple for 30 years, just as

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13150-1
01:51:40.183 --> 01:51:44.031
long as Marguerite and me. But
I've known Annie even longer. We

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13150-2
01:51:44.031 --> 01:51:47.819
met in Lampeter. She went when
she moved into the room next to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13150-3
01:51:47.819 --> 01:51:51.066
mine. And the rugby dawn after
one of the lads slept.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13156-0
01:51:51.846 --> 01:51:53.516
While I liked the rugby team.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13163-0
01:51:54.346 --> 01:51:56.316
Female solidarity was relief.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13197-0
01:51:56.996 --> 01:52:01.220
Like me and he was dating men
back then, unlike me, she teased

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13197-1
01:52:01.220 --> 01:52:05.309
her bright blonde hair and just
standing up straight and was

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13197-2
01:52:05.309 --> 01:52:08.326
partial to glittering Egyptian
style makeup.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13220-0
01:52:09.896 --> 01:52:13.553
Just before the train wreck that
sent her a letter, handwritten

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13220-1
01:52:13.553 --> 01:52:16.296
and posted in those days to tell
her I was gay.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13231-0
01:52:17.176 --> 01:52:20.082
I hadn't heard back and assumed
she no longer wanted to be

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13231-1
01:52:20.082 --> 01:52:20.476
friends.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13254-0
01:52:21.316 --> 01:52:24.589
It turns out that Annie had lost
a friend for that very same

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13254-1
01:52:24.589 --> 01:52:28.078
reason. A roommate who had asked
her to move out of their shared

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13254-2
01:52:28.078 --> 01:52:28.346
flat.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13276-0
01:52:29.166 --> 01:52:32.116
On moving day, she made it
halfway down the block and she

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13276-1
01:52:32.116 --> 01:52:35.116
realized she left something
behind and returned to get it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13284-0
01:52:35.946 --> 01:52:38.856
While she was there, the postman
arrived with my letter.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13305-0
01:52:39.836 --> 01:52:43.583
Me too, she wrote back with
characteristic enthusiasm. Just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13305-1
01:52:43.583 --> 01:52:46.706
as soon as we settled into a new
place in London.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13314-0
01:52:47.736 --> 01:52:50.879
I'd write her letter in my
hospital bed and had laughed

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13314-1
01:52:50.879 --> 01:52:51.216
aloud.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13323-0
01:52:51.896 --> 01:52:54.066
I remember that it hurt to
laugh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13342-0
01:52:55.276 --> 01:52:58.773
Union dinner partners have been
close friends ever since.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13342-1
01:52:58.773 --> 01:53:01.426
There's just one big difference
between us.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13417-0
01:53:02.146 --> 01:53:05.694
Annie and Caroline are
ferociously fit. Their Fitbits

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13417-1
01:53:05.694 --> 01:53:09.440
record over 10,000 steps before
breakfast, so repeatedly

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13417-2
01:53:09.440 --> 01:53:13.579
mountain descend the towering
hill above their school, holding

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13417-3
01:53:13.579 --> 01:53:17.653
feeding their sheep, donkeys,
and Thomas in the upper fields.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13417-4
01:53:17.653 --> 01:53:21.464
Even their gear puts me in my
place. They have high tech,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13417-5
01:53:21.464 --> 01:53:25.144
hiking sticks and rain jackets
for their backpacks. The

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13417-6
01:53:25.144 --> 01:53:29.415
ordinance survey maps reside in
a battered, clear plastic colder

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13417-7
01:53:29.415 --> 01:53:31.846
that Caroline wears around her
neck.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13422-0
01:53:32.636 --> 01:53:34.646
They are serious hikers.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13473-0
01:53:35.496 --> 01:53:39.691
I've been training and I'm not
in bad shape, but I am no hiker.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13473-1
01:53:39.691 --> 01:53:43.363
I'm really go on occasional
hikes like in Sinclair, who

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13473-2
01:53:43.363 --> 01:53:47.558
admits in black apples of Gower
to failing to identify Iron Age

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13473-3
01:53:47.558 --> 01:53:51.623
forts. He can't tell them apart
from big chunks of screw, any

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13473-4
01:53:51.623 --> 01:53:54.966
more than I can. I'm not
accustomed to the stalker

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13473-5
01:53:54.966 --> 01:53:56.146
terrains of Wales.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13548-0
01:53:57.546 --> 01:54:01.052
Landscape is a harsh
interrogation of trespasses,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13548-1
01:54:01.052 --> 01:54:05.610
Sinclair reminds us both, and I
am a trespasser here. Jim Perrin

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13548-2
01:54:05.610 --> 01:54:10.027
knows these hills in all seasons
and daylight or darkness, his

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13548-3
01:54:10.027 --> 01:54:14.655
intimate with their moods, their
relationship to the horizon, the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13548-4
01:54:14.655 --> 01:54:19.002
quality of football, and one
mountain versus another. I'm far

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13548-5
01:54:19.002 --> 01:54:23.069
more accustomed to Jim period's
least favorite hills, the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13548-6
01:54:23.069 --> 01:54:27.136
rounded oblique plains of the
Brecon Beacons, the smooth.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13564-0
01:54:28.666 --> 01:54:33.315
This mountain has much as much
right to deny me entry as the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13564-1
01:54:33.315 --> 01:54:36.516
immigration agent at Heathrow
Terminal 3.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13616-0
01:54:38.226 --> 01:54:41.919
To the Welsh beside being the
head of the ARWEN or muse,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13616-1
01:54:41.919 --> 01:54:46.001
Snowden has always been the hill
of hills, the loftiest of all

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13616-2
01:54:46.001 --> 01:54:50.018
mountains, the one who snow is
the coldest to climb to, whose

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13616-3
01:54:50.018 --> 01:54:53.906
peaks is the most difficult of
all feats, and the one who's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13616-4
01:54:53.906 --> 01:54:56.951
small will be the most
astounding, because the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13616-5
01:54:56.951 --> 01:54:58.636
tastrophe of the last day.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13659-0
01:55:00.176 --> 01:55:04.010
Borrow had to climb Stodden. It
was just as Welsh as the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13659-1
01:55:04.010 --> 01:55:08.247
language. It might as well have
been another Welsh dialect for

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13659-2
01:55:08.247 --> 01:55:11.947
him to master. It would
essential way of knowing Wales

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13659-3
01:55:11.947 --> 01:55:16.050
not just of saying I've been
here like you do when you build

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13659-4
01:55:16.050 --> 01:55:17.866
a small can of stones, but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13663-0
01:55:18.526 --> 01:55:19.546
I belong here.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13711-0
01:55:20.826 --> 01:55:24.814
He sets out in high spirits,
singing in Welsh at the stretch

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13711-1
01:55:24.814 --> 01:55:28.868
of his voice arm in arm with
Henrietta, his stepdaughter. His

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13711-2
01:55:28.868 --> 01:55:32.595
wife stays behind at the inn
properly at her insistence,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13711-3
01:55:32.595 --> 01:55:36.256
Laura hires a local guide to
lead them up the mountain.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13724-0
01:55:36.896 --> 01:55:41.067
Brace up your nerves and sinews
for the attempt. He thunders to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13724-1
01:55:41.067 --> 01:55:42.696
Henrietta and they climb.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13737-0
01:55:45.086 --> 01:55:48.716
They are not alone as they
ascend above Slumberous pass.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13767-0
01:55:50.926 --> 01:55:54.434
Steady chain of climbers
switchbacks far above below

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13767-1
01:55:54.434 --> 01:55:58.669
them. The path is good and sure
and the foot they keep climbing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13767-2
01:55:58.669 --> 01:56:02.839
until they reach an all above
the lake. Secreted dark and deep

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13767-3
01:56:02.839 --> 01:56:03.236
below.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13783-0
01:56:03.966 --> 01:56:08.040
Borrow is out of breath and they
stopped to rest. The temperature

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13783-1
01:56:08.040 --> 01:56:08.966
begins to drop.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13796-0
01:56:10.686 --> 01:56:14.052
She carries on like a bit more
imagining George borrow climbing

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13796-1
01:56:14.052 --> 01:56:14.736
the mountain.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13798-0
01:56:17.066 --> 01:56:17.296
No.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13803-0
01:56:20.376 --> 01:56:21.986
Comments that a little bit on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13819-0
01:56:23.946 --> 01:56:27.636
History responses to what it
meant to climb the mountain.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13851-0
01:56:30.696 --> 01:56:33.926
To this paragraph here and
Barry's time, it was the in the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13851-1
01:56:33.926 --> 01:56:37.265
intellectual fashion to aquent
the mountains of North Wales,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13851-2
01:56:37.265 --> 01:56:40.714
especially Snowden, with freedom
fighters like Arthur fluently

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13851-3
01:56:40.714 --> 01:56:41.426
and Glendora.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13887-0
01:56:42.066 --> 01:56:45.856
The men who battled the English
juggernaut, the mountains,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13887-1
01:56:45.856 --> 01:56:49.518
became a symbol of self
determination by hiking into the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13887-2
01:56:49.518 --> 01:56:53.372
view and publicly reciting
Welsh. I believe borrow was very

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13887-3
01:56:53.372 --> 01:56:57.162
clearly choosing Wales as his
inspiration on moral home in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13887-4
01:56:57.162 --> 01:56:57.676
Britain.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13923-0
01:56:58.776 --> 01:57:02.369
Might be more comfortable to
live in England, but borrow the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13923-1
01:57:02.369 --> 01:57:06.079
lifelong sympathizer with people
of the margins who I can well

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13923-2
01:57:06.079 --> 01:57:09.613
imagine, would have supported
the miners during their great

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13923-3
01:57:09.613 --> 01:57:13.206
strike, planted the flag of
heart and conscience in Snowden.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13936-0
01:57:15.406 --> 01:57:18.564
And then she referred to writing
back to her own expedition at

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/13936-1
01:57:18.564 --> 01:57:19.216
the mountain.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14016-0
01:57:19.946 --> 01:57:23.984
Wait, I shopped. Caroline and
Annie are far ahead. I've

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14016-1
01:57:23.984 --> 01:57:27.372
stopped to scroll in my
notebook, wondrous and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14016-2
01:57:27.372 --> 01:57:31.843
monstrous, about to plod on. I
had writing gives me more of a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14016-3
01:57:31.843 --> 01:57:36.385
longer break. Beyond who human
act grown up with the birds. No

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14016-4
01:57:36.385 --> 01:57:40.783
Eagles eerie. Snowdonia reads
place of Eagles. Seagulls here

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14016-5
01:57:40.783 --> 01:57:44.460
instead should be funny but
can't laugh. The sheer

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14016-6
01:57:44.460 --> 01:57:48.498
inhospitable, less jagged
outcrops chopped like 9 later

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14016-7
01:57:48.498 --> 01:57:49.796
made-up mountains.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14058-0
01:57:49.916 --> 01:57:54.166
Medieval paintings and
furthermore, depths, rock, rock,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14058-1
01:57:54.166 --> 01:57:58.265
everywhere, dark and
frightening, look up bright sky,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14058-2
01:57:58.265 --> 01:58:03.122
replaced by night time screw of
snowdonia's flanks, turn, head,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14058-3
01:58:03.122 --> 01:58:07.145
heart filling, few endless
acquiring of hills to the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14058-4
01:58:07.145 --> 01:58:09.346
horizon. No place for people.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14079-0
01:58:10.526 --> 01:58:14.060
I don't belong up here. I've
been through this place often

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14079-1
01:58:14.060 --> 01:58:16.216
the car, but I've never been in
it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14103-0
01:58:17.316 --> 01:58:21.836
Climbing Snowden has all the
surreality of climbing into a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14103-1
01:58:21.836 --> 01:58:26.817
painting and in the scenery, and
it's disorientating, as if I've

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14103-2
01:58:26.817 --> 01:58:27.966
shed dimension.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14105-0
01:58:29.406 --> 01:58:30.106
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14110-0
01:58:36.726 --> 01:58:37.896
Comments, anybody?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14114-0
01:58:41.196 --> 01:58:42.876
Books about the writing style.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14148-0
01:58:58.656 --> 01:59:02.167
It's kind of a mixture of what
we had just now. There were

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14148-1
01:59:02.167 --> 01:59:05.678
polar opposites, but they're
just kind of like a blend and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14144-0
01:59:05.536 --> 01:59:05.826
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14148-2
01:59:05.678 --> 01:59:07.106
there's plenty of facts.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14160-0
01:59:08.536 --> 01:59:11.501
But it's more a story format,
something you can get lost in as

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14160-1
01:59:11.501 --> 01:59:11.736
well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14166-0
01:59:13.846 --> 01:59:16.116
Yes, yes, yes, quite so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14171-0
01:59:17.116 --> 01:59:18.846
It's a very strong narrative
element.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14173-0
01:59:19.166 --> 01:59:19.666
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14185-0
01:59:21.046 --> 01:59:24.496
What do you think it's actually
about? Who's it actually about?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14213-0
01:59:25.466 --> 01:59:29.119
It's it's very personal
disclosure about her sexuality

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14213-1
01:59:29.119 --> 01:59:33.037
and her feelings about not
actually wanted to do the walk,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14213-2
01:59:33.037 --> 01:59:35.096
even though she's agreed to it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14222-0
01:59:35.866 --> 01:59:38.686
And you, you get a lot of her
herself.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14226-0
01:59:39.656 --> 01:59:40.176
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14235-0
01:59:39.726 --> 01:59:42.816
She's giving she's she's sharing
a lot of her inner.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14240-0
01:59:44.806 --> 01:59:45.756
Where in the world?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14246-0
01:59:47.226 --> 01:59:48.976
Very personal things as well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14248-0
01:59:49.516 --> 01:59:49.916
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14250-0
01:59:52.796 --> 01:59:53.286
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14262-0
01:59:54.706 --> 01:59:58.516
It's all this is if isn't it
that the the landscape of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14262-1
01:59:58.516 --> 01:59:59.356
mountain and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14271-0
01:59:59.966 --> 02:00:03.836
Ohh, a kind of extension of her
own identity and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14298-0
02:00:04.916 --> 02:00:09.065
And in very secretary graphic
way affect how she feels and how

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14298-1
02:00:09.065 --> 02:00:13.083
she feels about herself and
particularly her relationship to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14298-2
02:00:13.083 --> 02:00:15.586
Wales as an outsider, as an
American.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14303-0
02:00:18.746 --> 02:00:20.056
To think about that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14307-0
02:00:26.066 --> 02:00:27.376
Do you find it interesting?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14352-0
02:00:35.056 --> 02:00:38.929
It is, but it's not as if she
doesn't want that. She doesn't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14352-1
02:00:38.929 --> 02:00:42.547
want to, like, climb the
mountain, but she clearly loves

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14352-2
02:00:42.547 --> 02:00:46.610
to be there too. The people, the
culture, she enjoys it. But at

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14352-3
02:00:46.610 --> 02:00:50.229
the end, the end of what you
just wrote like it was like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14352-4
02:00:50.229 --> 02:00:53.848
climbing into a painting. It
felt so unnatural. So she's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14352-5
02:00:53.848 --> 02:00:54.546
willing to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14358-0
02:00:56.456 --> 02:00:57.936
Do these things just to.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14380-0
02:00:58.886 --> 02:01:01.180
May not be a people pleaser
because she does like her

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14380-1
02:01:01.180 --> 02:01:03.729
surroundings. She doesn't want
to climb a mountain, but she

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14380-2
02:01:03.729 --> 02:01:04.536
loves where she is.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14382-0
02:01:05.436 --> 02:01:05.746
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14384-0
02:01:05.736 --> 02:01:06.186
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14424-0
02:01:11.376 --> 02:01:14.742
And that's something you find a
lot. And because we're so used

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14424-1
02:01:14.742 --> 02:01:18.055
to having, like, the Gower the
beaches bracelet be and to ask

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14424-2
02:01:18.055 --> 02:01:21.208
like America and all these
places where the places for the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14424-3
02:01:21.208 --> 02:01:23.666
beaches and these places were
exotic but you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14457-0
02:01:24.646 --> 02:01:28.565
I think when I reached my late
teens and I I met some, you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14457-1
02:01:28.565 --> 02:01:32.882
know, people from abroad and was
like, it's beautiful. And I was

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14457-2
02:01:32.882 --> 02:01:37.000
like, it's just Swansea. That's
all it was to me at the time.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14457-3
02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:37.266
But.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14544-0
02:01:38.016 --> 02:01:41.955
Even though I used to read like
certain certain things like Iris

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14544-1
02:01:41.955 --> 02:01:45.773
Gower books and things I could
relate to, there wasn't any you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14544-2
02:01:45.773 --> 02:01:49.045
see from an outsiders
perspective, if you know what I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14544-3
02:01:49.045 --> 02:01:52.742
mean and it it's beautiful. And
then my mid 20s, I would see

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14544-4
02:01:52.742 --> 02:01:56.075
like the 10 most beautiful
places on the earth kind of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14544-5
02:01:56.075 --> 02:01:59.953
programs. And the goal would be
on there. I'm gonna call. Look,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14544-6
02:01:59.953 --> 02:02:03.529
you know, and it's really
showing an outsiders perspective

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14544-7
02:02:03.529 --> 02:02:06.256
of other place that you're so
familiar with.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14547-0
02:02:07.316 --> 02:02:08.346
Yes, yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14576-0
02:02:09.686 --> 02:02:13.798
What's interesting with this as
well is that she says about not

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14576-1
02:02:13.798 --> 02:02:17.717
wanting to climb it. But I think
that and how climbing it is

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14576-2
02:02:17.717 --> 02:02:18.616
engaging with.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14586-0
02:02:19.386 --> 02:02:22.066
Whilst culture, but I think it's
interesting that UM.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14592-0
02:02:22.726 --> 02:02:25.396
A lot of Welsh people I know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14642-0
02:02:31.106 --> 02:02:35.232
I wouldn't be bothered. That
sounds awful, but there's that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14642-1
02:02:35.232 --> 02:02:39.564
sense of when you when you live
there and it like Sarah's just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14642-2
02:02:39.564 --> 02:02:43.759
saying, you know, you're not
always doing the walks or going

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14626-0
02:02:40.426 --> 02:02:42.476
You failed to appreciate
sometimes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14642-3
02:02:43.759 --> 02:02:47.541
up the mountains or doing
anything because you're just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14642-4
02:02:47.541 --> 02:02:48.916
sort of living your.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14665-0
02:02:49.606 --> 02:02:54.504
Daily life in these places.
Whereas to to do the walks and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14665-1
02:02:54.504 --> 02:02:59.236
do the climbs, is often much
more of a sort of touristy.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14679-0
02:03:00.026 --> 02:03:05.696
Thing to do and and so I think
that's interesting that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14672-0
02:03:00.146 --> 02:03:01.226
Yeah, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14669-0
02:03:00.226 --> 02:03:00.526
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14739-0
02:03:06.576 --> 02:03:09.743
No. See, that's not true across
the board. Obviously, there's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14739-1
02:03:09.743 --> 02:03:12.909
loads of Welsh people that will
have done it, but I think you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14739-2
02:03:12.909 --> 02:03:15.667
know, when we lived in, I
remember when we moved to a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14739-3
02:03:15.667 --> 02:03:18.681
House in the South Wales valleys
and there was this really

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14739-4
02:03:18.681 --> 02:03:21.541
beautiful walk up behind the
house. I was talking to my

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14739-5
02:03:21.541 --> 02:03:24.759
labour that had lived there all
her life, like she'd been born

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14739-6
02:03:24.759 --> 02:03:26.036
in that house and I said.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14744-0
02:03:28.696 --> 02:03:29.476
Oh, we frozen.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14745-0
02:03:29.526 --> 02:03:29.756
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14749-0
02:03:31.236 --> 02:03:31.516
Oh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14766-0
02:03:31.426 --> 02:03:35.277
That she had never been up there
like her whole life. So it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14766-1
02:03:35.277 --> 02:03:38.756
that. It's that thing of like
you were saying Sarah of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14775-0
02:03:39.496 --> 02:03:41.826
You you don't always engage with
these things.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14784-0
02:03:42.266 --> 02:03:43.996
You might not appreciate that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14808-0
02:03:42.946 --> 02:03:45.933
And when when you're actually
living your daily daily life

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14808-1
02:03:45.933 --> 02:03:49.224
there, even though they're very
much a part of you and a part of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14808-2
02:03:49.224 --> 02:03:51.756
your landscape, you engage with
them differently.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14810-0
02:03:52.556 --> 02:03:53.076
As.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14820-0
02:03:54.016 --> 02:03:57.488
As somebody who lives there, UM,
so I thought that was

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14820-1
02:03:57.488 --> 02:03:58.246
interesting.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14822-0
02:03:58.796 --> 02:03:59.506
Definitely.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14869-0
02:04:00.576 --> 02:04:04.043
And the thing of the gear cause
I've found that when if I do go

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14869-1
02:04:04.043 --> 02:04:07.238
for a walk or whatever, we're
walking up somewhere in flip

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14869-2
02:04:07.238 --> 02:04:10.326
flops and some dodgy trainers
and then you'll get people

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14869-3
02:04:10.326 --> 02:04:13.630
walking past with their big
sticks, you know, and they're on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14869-4
02:04:13.630 --> 02:04:14.876
a full on thing and my.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14884-0
02:04:15.676 --> 02:04:18.701
8 year olds there in her
sandals, you know, like walking

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14884-1
02:04:18.701 --> 02:04:21.196
up the thing. So I think that's
quite a funny.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14888-0
02:04:22.656 --> 02:04:24.086
Funny comparison as well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14890-0
02:04:25.226 --> 02:04:25.586
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14892-0
02:04:30.326 --> 02:04:30.776
Some.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14895-0
02:04:33.696 --> 02:04:34.266
Forget.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14898-0
02:04:34.346 --> 02:04:36.116
Umm she?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14920-0
02:04:40.276 --> 02:04:43.693
So she does very her tone of
voice and style quite a lot. So

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14920-1
02:04:43.693 --> 02:04:46.886
there's there's a lot of this
very accessible anecdotal.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14933-0
02:04:47.426 --> 02:04:52.743
I'm narrative style with with
humor in it and self revelation

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14933-1
02:04:52.743 --> 02:04:53.086
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14945-0
02:04:54.356 --> 02:04:57.766
And which is I think a lot of
what gives it animates the.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14959-0
02:04:58.516 --> 02:05:03.407
The entire book, and I guess it
interest and we sell very much

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14959-1
02:05:03.407 --> 02:05:04.416
the priority.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14979-0
02:05:05.596 --> 02:05:09.619
And then every so often, she'll
she'll sweep out to include some

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14979-1
02:05:09.619 --> 02:05:13.086
research into private, like
George Borrow, for example.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14993-0
02:05:13.186 --> 02:05:18.314
I'm I have to say that that she
does very much draw on the sort

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/14993-1
02:05:18.314 --> 02:05:19.276
of the more.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15009-0
02:05:20.656 --> 02:05:26.478
Obvious writers, really iconic
writers. Rather than going into

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15009-1
02:05:26.478 --> 02:05:28.326
more obscure byways.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15015-0
02:05:30.246 --> 02:05:31.916
I think it's interesting to
notice.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15029-0
02:05:33.306 --> 02:05:36.766
How she creates a whole fictive
passage for borrows George

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15029-1
02:05:36.766 --> 02:05:38.056
borrows claim Snowden.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15050-0
02:05:40.716 --> 02:05:44.578
It's an interesting technique to
draw on and again to bring

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15050-1
02:05:44.578 --> 02:05:48.311
research alive and and making
comparison between past and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15050-2
02:05:48.311 --> 02:05:48.826
present.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15052-0
02:05:50.126 --> 02:05:50.666
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15056-0
02:05:55.136 --> 02:05:56.166
Did you draw on?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15059-0
02:05:57.686 --> 02:05:58.136
And I said.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15065-0
02:05:59.496 --> 02:06:02.106
Critically detailed physical
details as well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15071-0
02:06:09.116 --> 02:06:11.606
She describes some early.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15123-0
02:06:14.206 --> 02:06:17.447
To day the lake burns of vivid
blue flame. From here on, the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15123-1
02:06:17.447 --> 02:06:20.529
bedrock steps alternate with
loose screen. You have to be

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15123-2
02:06:20.529 --> 02:06:23.557
careful of up thrusts of
vertical rock along the path. I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15123-3
02:06:23.557 --> 02:06:26.905
look away for maybe 3 seconds
and next thing I know about boot

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15123-4
02:06:26.905 --> 02:06:30.146
is caught between two or three
of them in a fish shaped vice

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15123-5
02:06:30.146 --> 02:06:30.996
and I'm falling.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15138-0
02:06:32.466 --> 02:06:36.613
So she, she dwells a lot on the
moment, doesn't she? The actual

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15138-1
02:06:36.613 --> 02:06:38.816
physicality of body in the
space.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15143-0
02:06:42.026 --> 02:06:44.386
But it is very much.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15159-0
02:06:46.636 --> 02:06:50.565
About how that how that space is
acting on her, how she reacts to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15159-1
02:06:50.565 --> 02:06:51.696
the physical place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15163-0
02:06:52.466 --> 02:06:53.786
Geographical enough.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15169-0
02:06:56.196 --> 02:06:57.846
Two psychological sense.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15198-0
02:07:01.946 --> 02:07:05.556
And then towards the end, I
think she starts to straighten

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15198-1
02:07:05.556 --> 02:07:09.411
it out and reflect on what the
experience means in a wider way

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15198-2
02:07:09.411 --> 02:07:10.696
to do with belonging.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15203-0
02:07:12.596 --> 02:07:13.846
He will read this, haven't you?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15205-0
02:07:14.456 --> 02:07:14.716
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15208-0
02:07:18.066 --> 02:07:18.596
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15212-0
02:07:20.126 --> 02:07:20.796
So a lot of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15225-0
02:07:22.566 --> 02:07:26.583
Quite typical elements of
psychogeography and of of travel

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15225-1
02:07:26.583 --> 02:07:28.626
writing going on concurrently.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15233-0
02:07:30.186 --> 02:07:32.556
But I think this is a good
example of writing where.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15246-0
02:07:33.726 --> 02:07:37.216
The investigation of self is as
much a priority as the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15246-1
02:07:37.216 --> 02:07:38.676
investigation of place.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15248-0
02:07:40.646 --> 02:07:41.206
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15268-0
02:07:42.536 --> 02:07:46.966
It's not for everyone. If you if
you know place, you may feel

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15268-1
02:07:46.966 --> 02:07:50.396
like this is very much an
outsider or tourists.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15275-0
02:07:51.146 --> 02:07:52.666
Rather, Amanda sizing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15289-0
02:07:54.376 --> 02:07:57.091
Relationship to a place that has
three different meanings or

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15289-1
02:07:57.091 --> 02:07:58.916
connotations for you. If you
live there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15297-0
02:08:03.056 --> 02:08:04.986
Now if you any other thoughts on
that?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15344-0
02:08:24.096 --> 02:08:28.176
I suppose there is a sense in
that if you're writing about

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15344-1
02:08:28.176 --> 02:08:32.394
self then it gives you quite a
lot of licence to to not talk

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15344-2
02:08:32.394 --> 02:08:36.543
about everything or to see a
landscape in a place in a very

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15344-3
02:08:36.543 --> 02:08:39.586
personalized way as part of
personal goals.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15359-0
02:08:42.086 --> 02:08:45.212
So again, it comes down to what
your priorities are in the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15359-1
02:08:45.212 --> 02:08:47.066
writing. What you want to
achieve.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15361-0
02:08:54.106 --> 02:08:54.586
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15367-0
02:08:59.846 --> 02:09:01.436
Anybody want to add anything?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15369-0
02:09:04.986 --> 02:09:05.356
No.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15371-0
02:09:05.466 --> 02:09:05.756
For.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15383-0
02:09:11.156 --> 02:09:14.941
I think the stylistically, the
main takeaways from that or

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15383-1
02:09:14.941 --> 02:09:15.326
again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15385-0
02:09:15.446 --> 02:09:16.096
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15387-0
02:09:17.746 --> 02:09:17.996
I.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15412-0
02:09:19.146 --> 02:09:24.878
How you weave in research into
into the into the main narrative

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15412-1
02:09:24.878 --> 02:09:29.446
in a way that is engaging and
lively and relevant.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15425-0
02:09:30.136 --> 02:09:34.715
So here she she puts borrowing
this fictional climbing context

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15425-1
02:09:34.715 --> 02:09:35.006
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15434-0
02:09:36.186 --> 02:09:39.423
Well, she speaks to this very
accessible, conversational tone

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15434-1
02:09:39.423 --> 02:09:39.736
about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15436-0
02:09:40.196 --> 02:09:40.916
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15442-0
02:09:41.956 --> 02:09:43.366
Of the literary writers, or.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15455-0
02:09:45.076 --> 02:09:49.224
It's the formation about the
mountains, so there's the voice

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15455-1
02:09:49.224 --> 02:09:51.536
is very preeminent tone of
voice.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15478-0
02:09:55.906 --> 02:10:01.957
OK, what I'd like you to do now
if you're able to move around a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15478-1
02:10:01.957 --> 02:10:06.496
bit is to do a little to reave,
but this is so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15487-0
02:10:07.706 --> 02:10:10.416
In your own domestic space,
we're just outside.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15497-0
02:10:11.086 --> 02:10:13.926
With pen and paper, I want you
to go on a kind of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15510-0
02:10:15.306 --> 02:10:19.348
Funny random wonder. No
particular directions. Will

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15510-1
02:10:19.348 --> 02:10:20.436
goals in mind.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15518-0
02:10:22.056 --> 02:10:25.376
Just wander around the space or
the garden.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15521-0
02:10:26.096 --> 02:10:27.006
Move the street.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15529-0
02:10:28.126 --> 02:10:31.006
Hello intuitively and just
notice.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15543-0
02:10:31.876 --> 02:10:36.786
As you go, you're feelings, how
different objects or corners or.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15561-0
02:10:37.576 --> 02:10:41.697
Parts of the space in your room
make you feel, and thoughts come

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15561-1
02:10:41.697 --> 02:10:43.536
into your mind. Associations.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15563-0
02:10:44.446 --> 02:10:45.086
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15573-0
02:10:46.436 --> 02:10:51.336
If you look at particular
object, plant or or a wall.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15586-0
02:10:54.396 --> 02:10:58.039
What about it? You might want to
research what other stories it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15586-1
02:10:58.039 --> 02:10:58.836
might suggest.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15588-0
02:11:01.216 --> 02:11:01.986
Very much.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15597-0
02:11:03.486 --> 02:11:06.676
Spontaneously intuitive
notetaking.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15620-0
02:11:07.436 --> 02:11:11.087
I'm. I'm gonna give you 20
minutes to do that and then

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15620-1
02:11:11.087 --> 02:11:15.402
we'll come back and just compare
notes. So is it everyone clear?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15620-2
02:11:15.402 --> 02:11:17.526
And so everyone able to do that?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15623-0
02:11:26.786 --> 02:11:27.256
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15626-0
02:11:27.816 --> 02:11:28.116
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15696-0
02:11:28.006 --> 02:11:31.858
Yeah, I mean, I live in like a
very concrete council estate. I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15696-1
02:11:31.858 --> 02:11:35.893
think every like Paul de SAC and
St. around, it's all council and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15696-2
02:11:35.893 --> 02:11:39.562
I've got contractors here.
There's skips everywhere, track,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15696-3
02:11:39.562 --> 02:11:43.413
not tractors. Diggers are. It's
like horrible out there and it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15696-4
02:11:43.413 --> 02:11:47.265
has been since December. So I
don't really know what I'm gonna

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15696-5
02:11:47.265 --> 02:11:50.934
be able to see, but I'm gonna
give it a will. I might go as

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15696-6
02:11:50.934 --> 02:11:53.196
far as the rugby field or
something.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15748-0
02:11:53.436 --> 02:11:57.817
OK, she will back here in 20
minutes at the The thing is to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15748-1
02:11:57.817 --> 02:12:02.489
be very open minded to don't go
in without any expectations but

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15715-0
02:11:59.526 --> 02:12:00.126
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15748-2
02:12:02.489 --> 02:12:06.651
be very attentive to your
feelings and reactions to what

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15748-3
02:12:06.651 --> 02:12:10.667
catches your eye and to what,
what stories or research

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15748-4
02:12:10.667 --> 02:12:15.121
possibilities, associations,
memories they might suggest. So

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15748-5
02:12:15.121 --> 02:12:17.676
basically making making notes
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15750-0
02:12:18.736 --> 02:12:19.196
Uh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15767-0
02:12:20.166 --> 02:12:23.451
Take a subset of your data
analysis as well. That's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15764-0
02:12:21.356 --> 02:12:21.756
We have.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15767-1
02:12:23.451 --> 02:12:23.956
colours.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15771-0
02:12:25.756 --> 02:12:27.046
Foods of where you are.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15773-0
02:12:28.076 --> 02:12:28.366
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15786-0
02:12:28.226 --> 02:12:34.056
OK, good luck, alright. And
we'll reconvene in 20 minutes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15788-0
02:12:34.456 --> 02:12:34.806
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15790-0
02:12:35.016 --> 02:12:35.456
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15808-0
02:12:36.836 --> 02:12:39.815
You know, you couldn't even just
spend that time in your room

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15808-1
02:12:39.815 --> 02:12:42.506
doing a very, very detailed
drift around your room and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15831-0
02:12:43.426 --> 02:12:46.966
I'm focusing on a corner shadow.
What's behind the curtain? If

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15831-1
02:12:46.966 --> 02:12:50.506
you don't want to go very far,
it's it's up tightly up to you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15833-0
02:12:51.046 --> 02:12:51.296
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15835-0
02:12:51.506 --> 02:12:52.036
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15841-0
02:12:52.866 --> 02:12:54.116
So I'll see you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15844-0
02:12:57.026 --> 02:12:57.616
Back here.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/15847-0
02:12:58.816 --> 02:12:59.456
Alright.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16131-0
02:32:24.476 --> 02:32:26.096
Well, we're beginning to fork
over.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16148-0
02:32:28.326 --> 02:32:30.656
Yeah. Sorry, Ros. I had to drop
off for a bit and then I.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16149-0
02:32:29.316 --> 02:32:31.076
Oh, I can't hear you, Claire.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16155-0
02:32:32.466 --> 02:32:33.576
You got your mute on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16157-0
02:32:34.216 --> 02:32:34.786
No.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16161-0
02:32:40.756 --> 02:32:41.736
Can you hear me now?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16166-0
02:32:42.336 --> 02:32:44.006
I think you still got your mute
on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16169-0
02:32:44.606 --> 02:32:45.576
No, I haven't.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16172-0
02:32:45.736 --> 02:32:46.636
Can't hear you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16178-0
02:32:48.006 --> 02:32:50.036
I'll. I'll try rejoining.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16185-0
02:32:50.656 --> 02:32:51.696
I can hear you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16189-0
02:32:51.536 --> 02:32:53.046
I can't hear anyone else going
on.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16196-0
02:33:05.976 --> 02:33:07.086
Can you hear me now?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16209-0
02:33:07.336 --> 02:33:10.516
Yeah, I don't know what's going
on there. Yeah, I can hear you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16209-1
02:33:10.516 --> 02:33:11.626
now. Yes, right. Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16217-0
02:33:13.586 --> 02:33:14.676
How did you get on?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16224-0
02:33:17.016 --> 02:33:19.406
Abby, I wrote quite a lot,
actually.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16231-0
02:33:22.306 --> 02:33:24.896
OK, turned into a piece rather
than.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16237-0
02:33:26.726 --> 02:33:28.316
Rather than note taking.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16252-0
02:33:28.856 --> 02:33:30.986
It doesn't matter. It doesn't
matter too.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16251-0
02:33:29.976 --> 02:33:30.766
It just kidding.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16255-0
02:33:32.136 --> 02:33:32.716
Float.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16258-0
02:33:36.176 --> 02:33:36.696
It's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16264-0
02:33:41.036 --> 02:33:42.306
Can you hear me now, rose?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16274-0
02:33:43.016 --> 02:33:46.316
Very faintly, yes. Yeah, I'm
just gonna try.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16273-0
02:33:45.276 --> 02:33:46.216
How strange.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16283-0
02:33:48.296 --> 02:33:51.146
My with my loudspeaker again my.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16288-0
02:33:53.316 --> 02:33:54.566
Could somebody say something?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16291-0
02:33:55.376 --> 02:33:56.106
Hello.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16294-0
02:33:55.696 --> 02:33:57.086
Testing. Testing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16295-0
02:33:57.096 --> 02:33:57.476
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16298-0
02:34:02.576 --> 02:34:02.966
Once again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16303-0
02:34:04.746 --> 02:34:05.636
Hello Ros.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16312-0
02:34:05.986 --> 02:34:08.546
We don't know. The guy can hear
you. Fine now. Hi. Hello.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16316-0
02:34:09.296 --> 02:34:09.676
It.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16363-0
02:34:09.936 --> 02:34:13.082
And I just had to drop off for a
little while. So I came back and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16363-1
02:34:13.082 --> 02:34:15.990
you'd all disappeared. So I
assume you've just been doing an

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16363-2
02:34:15.990 --> 02:34:18.946
exercise. But I I wasn't here to
hear what it was. But don't.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16340-0
02:34:16.906 --> 02:34:17.476
Ohh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16363-3
02:34:18.946 --> 02:34:21.472
Don't worry. But that's why I
won't have anything to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16363-4
02:34:21.472 --> 02:34:23.856
contribute to this bit. If you
just leave me out.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16375-0
02:34:23.136 --> 02:34:26.897
I'm sorry you missed that, but
don't worry because it's. I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16375-1
02:34:26.897 --> 02:34:29.256
basically sent her for an off to
do.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16386-0
02:34:29.596 --> 02:34:32.837
I'm A to Reeve, which you were
talking earlier, which is

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16386-1
02:34:32.837 --> 02:34:33.406
basically.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16411-0
02:34:33.486 --> 02:34:38.639
Umm, drifting around the space,
just noting how it made you feel

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16411-1
02:34:38.639 --> 02:34:43.237
and associations, memories,
anything that you notice in a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16411-2
02:34:43.237 --> 02:34:45.536
very non goal orientated way.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16425-0
02:34:48.136 --> 02:34:51.362
It's I think it's the most
useful as the psychogeographic

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16425-1
02:34:51.362 --> 02:34:51.696
tools.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16446-0
02:34:52.526 --> 02:34:56.115
In this sense, it happens up
kinds of unexpected creative

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16446-1
02:34:56.115 --> 02:34:59.456
possibilities, and it's
something you can you can do.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16467-0
02:35:00.866 --> 02:35:04.605
Anyway, during the week, if you
want to or to any point really

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16467-1
02:35:04.605 --> 02:35:08.462
during the course, but I'm sorry
that yeah, I'm sorry you missed

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16467-2
02:35:08.462 --> 02:35:09.056
out on me.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16472-0
02:35:11.996 --> 02:35:13.196
My my exercise.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16487-0
02:35:20.846 --> 02:35:25.516
We still waiting for non see a
little bit of Joe coming back.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16490-0
02:35:33.066 --> 02:35:33.496
Hi there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16492-0
02:35:34.836 --> 02:35:35.066
I.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16494-0
02:35:39.866 --> 02:35:40.176
Right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16499-0
02:35:41.136 --> 02:35:42.286
The sweaty cannon.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16508-0
02:36:01.146 --> 02:36:02.606
Did you get off site Sarah?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16524-0
02:36:03.916 --> 02:36:08.243
No, I I went as far as the
garden though. I found something

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16524-1
02:36:08.243 --> 02:36:09.036
there that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16529-0
02:36:10.086 --> 02:36:11.436
Provokes a lot of emotion.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16531-0
02:36:12.436 --> 02:36:13.236
Good and bad.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16555-0
02:36:18.126 --> 02:36:21.778
When I say God and it's now
they've ripped the paving slabs

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16555-1
02:36:21.778 --> 02:36:25.186
up and they've just tarmacked
it. It's like a communal.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16560-0
02:36:26.496 --> 02:36:28.316
Yard is crazy.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16562-0
02:36:28.686 --> 02:36:29.186
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16564-0
02:36:29.536 --> 02:36:29.906
But.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16582-0
02:36:31.036 --> 02:36:35.464
I've got a few plants and shrubs
up there which that that's what

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16582-1
02:36:35.464 --> 02:36:36.826
I'm gonna be my non.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16584-0
02:36:38.666 --> 02:36:39.106
Hey.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16591-0
02:36:45.056 --> 02:36:46.466
It didn't make it out the
kitchen.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16594-0
02:36:47.376 --> 02:36:47.726
Didn't.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16599-0
02:36:49.646 --> 02:36:51.156
I may just look cattle.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16605-0
02:36:51.966 --> 02:36:53.676
Let me ask, sticking with themes
you know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16628-0
02:36:56.916 --> 02:37:00.005
Priorities. But that's something
to write about. There's plenty

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16627-0
02:36:59.546 --> 02:37:00.336
Priorities.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16628-1
02:37:00.005 --> 02:37:00.826
around my kettle.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16633-0
02:37:03.846 --> 02:37:05.816
See. Yeah, it's again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16638-0
02:37:08.646 --> 02:37:09.616
Catalysts do a lot.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16640-0
02:37:12.686 --> 02:37:13.206
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16643-0
02:37:14.226 --> 02:37:14.566
True.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16649-0
02:37:21.626 --> 02:37:23.316
Given on the call and see.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16653-0
02:37:27.426 --> 02:37:28.996
She hasn't actually dropped off.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16659-0
02:37:32.496 --> 02:37:33.496
That's OK, she comes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16666-0
02:37:51.086 --> 02:37:51.426
Really.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16693-0
02:38:18.046 --> 02:38:21.668
I think one thing about this
sort of exercise it's I think if

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16693-1
02:38:21.668 --> 02:38:25.056
you if you've got, you know, a
moment's writers block or.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16713-0
02:38:26.416 --> 02:38:29.944
We just need to stimulate,
stimulate ideas. It's a very

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16713-1
02:38:29.944 --> 02:38:33.914
good way in under the fact as
well that you're moving, I think

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16713-2
02:38:33.914 --> 02:38:34.166
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16718-0
02:38:35.656 --> 02:38:36.416
Just having that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16727-0
02:38:37.086 --> 02:38:40.166
I've been friend of mind. Can be
very useful.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16733-0
02:38:42.226 --> 02:38:43.536
Environment work on you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16746-0
02:38:47.366 --> 02:38:51.776
I'm not quite sure it was
possible nons just having some

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16746-1
02:38:51.776 --> 02:38:53.556
connection problems so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16757-0
02:38:54.666 --> 02:38:58.516
Let's make a start and hear what
people have written and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16765-0
02:39:00.316 --> 02:39:04.696
OK, let's start with you Joe
Toft.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16775-0
02:39:06.236 --> 02:39:08.026
She doesn't want to stick with
you too.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16771-0
02:39:06.476 --> 02:39:07.006
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16785-0
02:39:08.876 --> 02:39:11.886
Do we just read the whole thing
as I've written it?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16802-0
02:39:12.586 --> 02:39:16.679
Oh yes. I mean, you can if you
just want to comment a little

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16802-1
02:39:16.679 --> 02:39:19.296
bit first on on your process you
like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16825-0
02:39:19.076 --> 02:39:24.408
Right, OK. I kind of went a
little bit in and a little bit

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16825-1
02:39:24.408 --> 02:39:28.926
memories and I didn't make it
out of the kitchen.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16870-0
02:39:29.586 --> 02:39:33.451
I had foot blood as I had
thought I'd go around the house,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16830-0
02:39:29.676 --> 02:39:29.926
Right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16870-1
02:39:33.451 --> 02:39:37.317
but by the time I got to the
kettle and realized there was

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16870-2
02:39:37.317 --> 02:39:41.641
interesting things in the kettle
that I could like, we didn't get

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16870-3
02:39:41.641 --> 02:39:44.786
any further. So yeah, I kind of
I started with.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16917-0
02:39:45.806 --> 02:39:49.073
The heat from the radiator at my
back. I can hear the pump from

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16917-1
02:39:49.073 --> 02:39:52.290
the central heating system and
realize that the people I spoke

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16917-2
02:39:52.290 --> 02:39:55.302
to about the warm home grant
still haven't got back to me.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16917-3
02:39:55.302 --> 02:39:57.906
Another dopamine draining thing
for my To Do List.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16982-0
02:39:59.266 --> 02:40:03.094
Next, the kettle is a box of
shells. We braved the beach

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16982-1
02:40:03.094 --> 02:40:07.258
yesterday, Stephen and I, to
collect things for his half term

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16982-2
02:40:07.258 --> 02:40:11.623
project. I think in fact, I know
that I enjoy his primary school

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16982-3
02:40:11.623 --> 02:40:15.854
half term homework more than he
does. A couple of box leftover

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16982-4
02:40:15.854 --> 02:40:19.346
from an Amazon. Delivery
concerns and sortiment of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16999-0
02:40:19.986 --> 02:40:23.290
Former homes from several
different sea creatures,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/16999-1
02:40:23.290 --> 02:40:27.306
mussels, cockles, razor clam was
and others that cannot name.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17023-0
02:40:28.116 --> 02:40:31.711
Later I'll get the hot glue gun
out and attach some in some

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17023-1
02:40:31.711 --> 02:40:35.667
fashion to the drift. What do we
collected which is drying by the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17023-2
02:40:35.667 --> 02:40:36.206
radiator?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17042-0
02:40:37.686 --> 02:40:41.172
With two mermaids purses we
could use too the sacks, which

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17042-1
02:40:41.172 --> 02:40:44.186
baby sharks grow in and then eat
their way out of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17048-0
02:40:45.086 --> 02:40:46.436
I wonder if we could use them.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17069-0
02:40:47.146 --> 02:40:50.008
If they would fill with or if
they would fill my Sonny's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17069-1
02:40:50.008 --> 02:40:51.916
classrooms as stink of
decomposition.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17077-0
02:40:52.746 --> 02:40:55.026
OK. And just left them before we
use the glue.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17082-0
02:40:57.136 --> 02:40:57.586
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17101-0
02:40:57.146 --> 02:41:00.796
On the end of the kitchen
counter is the MOT certificate

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17101-1
02:41:00.796 --> 02:41:04.446
passed with minor defects and
advisory before Christmas.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17161-0
02:41:05.236 --> 02:41:09.021
Now, at the end of February,
I've taken it into half of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17161-1
02:41:09.021 --> 02:41:13.058
work done. The garage is only 10
minutes walk from my house, so

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17161-2
02:41:13.058 --> 02:41:17.033
having parked at the garage and
given the boss my keys, Stefan

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17161-3
02:41:17.033 --> 02:41:20.944
and I strolled back past the
break. Three painted fisherman's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17161-4
02:41:20.944 --> 02:41:24.729
cottages heads up against the
misty, the mist that hangs in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17161-5
02:41:24.729 --> 02:41:26.306
Microdroplets in the air.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17173-0
02:41:28.116 --> 02:41:31.456
The old flattened water bottles
are still wedged in the drain.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17201-0
02:41:33.606 --> 02:41:37.512
Ohh I'd lost my thoughts about
there and I checked my pockets

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17201-1
02:41:37.512 --> 02:41:41.543
for my phone and realized with
an awkward inward cringe that my

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17201-2
02:41:41.543 --> 02:41:45.386
house keys are still attached to
my daughter to my car keys.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17207-0
02:41:46.216 --> 02:41:47.126
So got that offer.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17209-0
02:41:48.706 --> 02:41:49.176
Right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17213-0
02:41:51.216 --> 02:41:51.836
I love that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17218-0
02:41:53.406 --> 02:41:54.176
But I5.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17232-0
02:41:55.686 --> 02:41:59.068
The way it's which becomes a
locus of somebody sort of facets

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17232-1
02:41:59.068 --> 02:41:59.996
of your life and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17235-0
02:42:01.356 --> 02:42:01.786
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17241-0
02:42:03.846 --> 02:42:05.806
Even the most mundane moments.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17248-0
02:42:06.706 --> 02:42:08.556
Actually I think are worth
recording.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17260-0
02:42:09.636 --> 02:42:14.131
Because they have a part to play
in the and the texture and the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17260-1
02:42:14.131 --> 02:42:15.746
place of where you are.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17263-0
02:42:17.586 --> 02:42:18.436
Signs.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17270-0
02:42:19.216 --> 02:42:21.296
Q. Any comments anybody?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17298-0
02:42:23.786 --> 02:42:26.501
Again, it's just, you know,
people lives, not so much

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17298-1
02:42:26.501 --> 02:42:29.317
mundane, because going to the
beach with you, you know,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17298-2
02:42:29.317 --> 02:42:32.484
children is not so much mundane,
but it's the everyday and and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17298-3
02:42:32.484 --> 02:42:34.596
but speaking about it in such a
way that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17330-0
02:42:35.806 --> 02:42:38.922
It does bring emotions, whether
they're good, whether they're

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17330-1
02:42:38.922 --> 02:42:42.189
the the warm home grant thing as
well, it's gonna cause a lot of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17330-2
02:42:42.189 --> 02:42:45.154
issues for a lot of people, so
people can resonate with it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17330-3
02:42:45.154 --> 02:42:45.556
because.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17336-0
02:42:46.396 --> 02:42:47.756
The goal posts have changed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17355-0
02:42:48.696 --> 02:42:52.643
And I live in a small tiny flat
with the flat is freezing and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17355-1
02:42:52.643 --> 02:42:54.426
they say about energy usage.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17370-0
02:42:55.166 --> 02:42:58.362
It cost me about £10 a day to
heat the house and I only have

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17370-1
02:42:58.362 --> 02:42:58.886
it on for.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17386-0
02:42:59.666 --> 02:43:03.197
Three hours and I shouldn't need
it on for three hours at a small

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17386-1
02:43:03.197 --> 02:43:05.176
flat. And then in the night 3
hours.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17417-0
02:43:05.906 --> 02:43:09.842
But they're telling me you don't
qualify for it because you're

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17417-1
02:43:09.842 --> 02:43:13.902
floor space is so small, whereas
somebody with a big house will.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17417-2
02:43:13.902 --> 02:43:17.276
And it's that contrast of big
house, small flat. But.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17434-0
02:43:18.186 --> 02:43:21.702
I should still qualify, but I
don't and I used to, but I don't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17434-1
02:43:21.702 --> 02:43:22.986
qualify for it anymore.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17452-0
02:43:25.316 --> 02:43:29.096
Yeah, it it it. There's a lot of
people. Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17449-0
02:43:26.106 --> 02:43:27.416
So it resonates with.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17453-0
02:43:28.686 --> 02:43:29.116
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17498-0
02:43:30.876 --> 02:43:33.867
And it's just, you know what I
can't be bothered with the fight

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17461-0
02:43:31.386 --> 02:43:32.196
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17498-1
02:43:33.867 --> 02:43:36.624
if I don't qualify, I don't
qualify. But again, it's on my

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17498-2
02:43:36.624 --> 02:43:39.708
list because it needs to be done
by the 20th of February. So it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17498-3
02:43:39.708 --> 02:43:42.418
just that one thing that I
could, you know, really relate

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17498-4
02:43:42.418 --> 02:43:43.446
to that story as well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17500-0
02:43:44.186 --> 02:43:44.816
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17502-0
02:43:46.226 --> 02:43:46.726
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17518-0
02:43:48.406 --> 02:43:52.469
Interesting, isn't it? How?
What's up uppermost in your mind

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17510-0
02:43:49.896 --> 02:43:50.156
So.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17518-1
02:43:52.469 --> 02:43:52.736
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17520-0
02:43:53.646 --> 02:43:54.196
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17543-0
02:43:55.116 --> 02:43:59.354
This person your life colours
and what you see and how you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17543-1
02:43:59.354 --> 02:44:02.946
relate to a place and what you
don't see as well.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17545-0
02:44:04.476 --> 02:44:04.896
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17560-0
02:44:06.086 --> 02:44:09.677
Yeah, because I I was gonna kind
of go on to having to go back to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17560-1
02:44:09.677 --> 02:44:10.276
the garage.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17579-0
02:44:10.986 --> 02:44:14.821
And and ask the guy in the
garage Mickeys back, which was

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17579-1
02:44:14.821 --> 02:44:16.276
really cringe with me.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17583-0
02:44:17.406 --> 02:44:18.816
It's just like ohh no.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17612-0
02:44:20.276 --> 02:44:23.701
Which which he probably didn't
take anything off. But for me

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17612-1
02:44:23.701 --> 02:44:27.182
it's like that, that walk of
shame walking back to the garage

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17604-0
02:44:24.086 --> 02:44:24.526
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17612-2
02:44:27.182 --> 02:44:28.586
on, I feel like an idiot.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17622-0
02:44:30.266 --> 02:44:32.476
I left all my keys with them.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17633-0
02:44:34.046 --> 02:44:37.359
So yeah, so it's like that.
It'll carry on to that, that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17633-1
02:44:37.359 --> 02:44:38.056
better then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17643-0
02:44:39.186 --> 02:44:41.696
Turn around and repeating my
journey again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17655-0
02:44:45.716 --> 02:44:48.686
He's he's a really interesting,
I think, to write about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17672-0
02:44:50.646 --> 02:44:56.141
Where you keep them and what
keys you have and what they open

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17672-1
02:44:56.141 --> 02:44:56.496
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17671-0
02:44:56.846 --> 02:44:57.186
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17682-0
02:44:59.006 --> 02:45:03.036
Not being able to access a space
if you've lost a key can't.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17684-0
02:45:06.046 --> 02:45:06.586
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17689-0
02:45:07.146 --> 02:45:08.256
The dimensions.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17691-0
02:45:09.626 --> 02:45:10.296
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17761-0
02:45:10.826 --> 02:45:13.938
And it's that trust as well that
you have with the mechanic. It's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17761-1
02:45:13.938 --> 02:45:16.909
just a mechanic. But you know,
if there's anyone else that had

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17761-2
02:45:16.909 --> 02:45:19.927
your home keys, you'd be like,
Oh my God, I need my. They could

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17761-3
02:45:19.927 --> 02:45:22.897
break into my house. But I would
think that even when you lose

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17761-4
02:45:22.897 --> 02:45:25.821
your kids, you think ohh. Even
though there's not a marker on

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17761-5
02:45:25.821 --> 02:45:28.792
there to say there's belongs to
this home, you would instantly

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17761-6
02:45:28.792 --> 02:45:31.762
think, oh God, somebody's gonna
find those keys and break into

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17761-7
02:45:31.762 --> 02:45:34.356
my house. But because the
mechanic is such a reliable.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17806-0
02:45:35.146 --> 02:45:38.427
You know somebody that you might
use quite often. There's trust

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17806-1
02:45:38.427 --> 02:45:41.758
there. So you like. I don't need
to go and get them immediately,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17806-2
02:45:41.758 --> 02:45:45.090
but it's something on my list of
to do. But the shame is putting

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17792-0
02:45:44.286 --> 02:45:44.656
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17806-3
02:45:45.090 --> 02:45:48.166
you off. Whereas ** *** would
have come across that so many

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17806-4
02:45:48.166 --> 02:45:48.986
times, you know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17854-0
02:45:49.526 --> 02:45:52.729
Yeah, that's that's kind of what
I was telling myself. I'm better

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17854-1
02:45:52.729 --> 02:45:55.543
not the first person to have
done this, but it's it's the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17833-0
02:45:53.836 --> 02:45:54.606
No.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17854-2
02:45:55.543 --> 02:45:58.503
whole thing now. Like if a one
man walking into it, a garage

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17854-3
02:45:58.503 --> 02:46:01.415
full of Men At Work and you're
just a bit like, ohh no back

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17854-4
02:46:01.415 --> 02:46:01.706
again.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17870-0
02:46:04.346 --> 02:46:08.604
Yeah, it's, it's not kind of of
of dynamic, so feeling slightly

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17870-1
02:46:08.604 --> 02:46:09.336
vulnerable.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17876-0
02:46:10.016 --> 02:46:12.036
Walking into a very male space.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17898-0
02:46:12.826 --> 02:46:17.075
That's that's interesting, isn't
it? Because as women at the way,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17898-1
02:46:17.075 --> 02:46:21.003
we relate to space and feel
about space is is always colored

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17898-2
02:46:21.003 --> 02:46:21.196
by.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17910-0
02:46:22.246 --> 02:46:25.636
The danger we feel from men, or
the fallibility with men.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17912-0
02:46:26.516 --> 02:46:27.006
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17928-0
02:46:28.716 --> 02:46:31.839
It's not a, it's not something
that's been much explored. I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17928-1
02:46:31.839 --> 02:46:34.026
don't think in psychogeography,
but it's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17930-0
02:46:34.816 --> 02:46:35.476
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17946-0
02:46:37.346 --> 02:46:39.872
I said something to write about
and to explore. If you're

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17940-0
02:46:39.546 --> 02:46:39.876
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17946-1
02:46:39.872 --> 02:46:41.396
writing about space, I think
it's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17954-0
02:46:42.356 --> 02:46:44.496
It's definitely worth following
up.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17971-0
02:46:45.216 --> 02:46:47.889
Yeah, I think I think we will
know a lot of touched on that. I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17971-1
02:46:47.889 --> 02:46:49.926
think it's probably definitely
worth exploring.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17979-0
02:46:54.106 --> 02:46:55.676
OK. Thanks Joe.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17980-0
02:46:56.346 --> 02:46:56.936
Thank you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17995-0
02:46:57.356 --> 02:47:00.956
Right on the Joe Joe Griffiths,
how did you get home?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/17994-0
02:47:00.486 --> 02:47:00.806
Right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18008-0
02:47:02.106 --> 02:47:07.216
Well, I wrote some stuff
manically in amongst the chaos.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18012-0
02:47:08.736 --> 02:47:09.176
Well done.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18021-0
02:47:09.136 --> 02:47:12.686
I managed to get outside as well
because it's too manic indoors.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18033-0
02:47:14.596 --> 02:47:17.766
I just. I just. I've got 3 pages
though.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18035-0
02:47:18.576 --> 02:47:19.056
Right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18037-0
02:47:19.356 --> 02:47:19.686
Yep.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18053-0
02:47:20.436 --> 02:47:24.290
Yeah. OK. So from the quiet
space of my office into the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18043-0
02:47:21.826 --> 02:47:22.036
Right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18053-1
02:47:24.290 --> 02:47:25.666
darkness of landing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18071-0
02:47:26.506 --> 02:47:30.271
And trepidation of walking down
the stairs to the noise and the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18071-1
02:47:30.271 --> 02:47:32.566
chaos sounds like a school
playground.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18078-0
02:47:33.226 --> 02:47:35.236
Tones and offered from the
balls.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18088-0
02:47:36.156 --> 02:47:39.786
Only four children allegedly
eating their dinner.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18123-0
02:47:41.466 --> 02:47:45.207
What are you doing? Where have
you been? They say a plastic

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18123-1
02:47:45.207 --> 02:47:48.824
dinosaur is shoved in my face
from one deck direction and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18123-2
02:47:48.824 --> 02:47:52.066
probably enough. The mermaids
curse from the other.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18125-0
02:47:54.566 --> 02:47:54.876
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18130-0
02:47:56.086 --> 02:47:57.436
Can we open it now?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18133-0
02:47:58.896 --> 02:47:59.356
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18148-0
02:48:00.456 --> 02:48:06.116
One of the little ones to ask
later, I reply. Why? Please why?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18150-0
02:48:06.916 --> 02:48:07.306
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18155-0
02:48:08.156 --> 02:48:10.106
Push it aside and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18166-0
02:48:11.156 --> 02:48:14.466
I carry on my journey, walked
past into the kitchen.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18179-0
02:48:15.646 --> 02:48:18.852
Can can you eat that without
making a mess? Granddad

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18179-1
02:48:18.852 --> 02:48:19.396
inquires.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18183-0
02:48:20.646 --> 02:48:21.226
I wanna get.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18195-0
02:48:22.066 --> 02:48:24.966
Get into a quiet space. My shoes
have gone.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18203-0
02:48:26.016 --> 02:48:28.126
Being used as props for some
game.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18205-0
02:48:28.876 --> 02:48:29.106
1.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18211-0
02:48:31.536 --> 02:48:32.656
Can't read my own writing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18227-0
02:48:34.036 --> 02:48:37.705
I'm engaged in conversation
about what they did and how it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18227-1
02:48:37.705 --> 02:48:38.576
even has been.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18246-0
02:48:39.526 --> 02:48:43.823
A fine 2 odd shoes, one soft and
large and the other is a bit of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18246-1
02:48:43.823 --> 02:48:44.616
a a slipper.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18258-0
02:48:45.456 --> 02:48:49.196
Last night's fish supper it is.
Is it in the air?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18288-0
02:48:50.266 --> 02:48:53.707
But that's why I put the door.
The Guardian is cold and damp,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18288-1
02:48:53.707 --> 02:48:57.093
but the relief from the non
chaos at the house and the fresh

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18288-2
02:48:57.093 --> 02:48:59.036
air and the Gray skies is
calming.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18314-0
02:49:02.196 --> 02:49:06.651
I know I'm gonna get damping.
Soft rain, right? Birds skitter

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18314-1
02:49:06.651 --> 02:49:08.376
as way. So walk towards.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18326-0
02:49:10.006 --> 02:49:13.066
The gate passed the holly tree
that leads to the badger Woods.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18344-0
02:49:14.106 --> 02:49:17.924
Big breast breast. Ohh, there's
the wood smoke and the cut

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18344-1
02:49:17.924 --> 02:49:19.736
grass, the backdrop to life.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18367-0
02:49:20.476 --> 02:49:24.525
Here at the gate across shout
warning and the catkins droop

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18367-1
02:49:24.525 --> 02:49:27.696
over the fresh sprung daffodils
and snowdrops.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18378-0
02:49:28.506 --> 02:49:32.316
Crocuses, the true lips that are
threatening to bloom.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18416-0
02:49:33.016 --> 02:49:37.301
Sounds of the cars and reversing
delivery for and reminded me

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18416-1
02:49:37.301 --> 02:49:41.587
that I share this space, but
this space is vast. It stretches

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18416-2
02:49:41.587 --> 02:49:45.596
out across the valley, scattered
by cheap fields and old.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18419-0
02:49:46.806 --> 02:49:47.516
An old.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18441-0
02:49:48.636 --> 02:49:52.936
Parklands copper Beeches and
white populars are reminder of a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18441-1
02:49:52.936 --> 02:49:57.305
Victorian past where people use
the boat leg, now reclaimed by

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18441-2
02:49:57.305 --> 02:49:58.276
silk and Reed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18491-0
02:49:59.486 --> 02:50:04.160
And and stinging nettles, life
goes on around me at the Livius,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18491-1
02:50:04.160 --> 02:50:08.324
to my need to capture ill. I
don't have time to feel the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18491-2
02:50:08.324 --> 02:50:13.144
urgency of the words on the page
and the gate. It along Hawthorne

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18491-3
02:50:13.144 --> 02:50:17.746
hedge harbours, starlings and
sparrows, and hits of all breed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18498-0
02:50:18.756 --> 02:50:20.196
They just along the old.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18505-0
02:50:20.856 --> 02:50:22.936
The phone lines to feed first.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18512-0
02:50:26.706 --> 02:50:28.656
Knocking each other from
purchase.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18520-0
02:50:29.576 --> 02:50:32.506
This is home chaos, always
chaos.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18554-0
02:50:33.876 --> 02:50:39.052
Memories of past times children
covered in marshmallows, sticky

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18554-1
02:50:39.052 --> 02:50:43.904
poking sticks into the orange
orange flames with the little

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18554-2
02:50:43.904 --> 02:50:49.161
fire pit flooding and the smell
of the damp members of the coals

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18554-3
02:50:49.161 --> 02:50:50.536
of fire gone out.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18581-0
02:50:54.256 --> 02:50:58.769
What are you doing, ma'am? Key
comes a voice from behind me.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18581-1
02:50:58.769 --> 02:51:03.356
Eden again. Why? Always. Why? I
wish that word has never been

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18581-2
02:51:03.356 --> 02:51:04.836
invented. Some days.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18605-0
02:51:05.666 --> 02:51:09.662
But now it's time to go back.
Let me go and need to work. So

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18605-1
02:51:09.662 --> 02:51:13.789
idea is lost in the preschool
children and the older ones. No,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18605-2
02:51:13.789 --> 02:51:14.706
what it means.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18610-0
02:51:16.526 --> 02:51:17.966
It means I'm available.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18616-0
02:51:18.656 --> 02:51:20.686
But to the site city of the
office.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18630-0
02:51:22.246 --> 02:51:26.407
In through the door, Granddad
has a box on his head, does not

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18630-1
02:51:26.407 --> 02:51:27.816
inlet look impressed.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18637-0
02:51:28.666 --> 02:51:30.786
But I still don't have time to
feel.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18642-0
02:51:32.416 --> 02:51:33.306
Ah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18640-0
02:51:33.126 --> 02:51:33.326
But.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18643-0
02:51:33.506 --> 02:51:33.716
What?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18667-0
02:51:34.806 --> 02:51:39.656
Talk to this right, because
that's such a journey. They love

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18667-1
02:51:39.656 --> 02:51:44.109
the way is it opens out and
opens out from this sort of

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18667-2
02:51:44.109 --> 02:51:46.176
constricted fish smelling.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18671-0
02:51:46.996 --> 02:51:48.566
Interior and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18710-0
02:51:49.546 --> 02:51:53.514
To nature. And then then, you
know, history in the past and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18710-1
02:51:53.514 --> 02:51:57.681
then your own memories and the
sort of widening circles there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18710-2
02:51:57.681 --> 02:52:01.847
But there's a lot of material in
that. Lovely. Thank you, joy.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18710-3
02:52:01.847 --> 02:52:04.956
Really. Any comments anyone else
enjoys piece?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18712-0
02:52:05.776 --> 02:52:06.516
That's fine.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18718-0
02:52:07.766 --> 02:52:09.576
Yes, just say that that was
quite.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18736-0
02:52:09.676 --> 02:52:13.805
Umm, palpable. The feeling of
leaving the kitchen and the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18736-1
02:52:13.805 --> 02:52:16.866
chaos and the kitchen and out
into breeze.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18740-0
02:52:18.006 --> 02:52:18.576
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18741-0
02:52:18.346 --> 02:52:19.176
I like that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18773-0
02:52:26.776 --> 02:52:29.472
Yeah, it's like the paradox of
going out to feel something

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18773-1
02:52:29.472 --> 02:52:32.122
emotional and trying to feel
some attachment. But all you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18773-2
02:52:32.122 --> 02:52:34.909
wanna do is get away from me so
I can feel these things. Get

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18773-3
02:52:34.909 --> 02:52:36.006
away, you know? And and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18779-0
02:52:37.386 --> 02:52:38.456
Yeah, it's quite funny.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18781-0
02:52:39.546 --> 02:52:39.976
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18794-0
02:52:41.886 --> 02:52:44.716
You don't always it always find
what what you look for, I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18794-1
02:52:44.716 --> 02:52:45.106
suppose.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18800-0
02:52:46.086 --> 02:52:47.746
No, no you don't. No.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18816-0
02:52:49.856 --> 02:52:53.406
You don't always feel what you
expect to feel like that to you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18818-0
02:52:52.446 --> 02:52:54.516
Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18822-0
02:52:56.896 --> 02:52:58.466
But then you find other things
and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18824-0
02:52:59.756 --> 02:53:00.606
Details that.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18828-0
02:53:01.916 --> 02:53:02.806
It's Victorian.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18832-0
02:53:03.186 --> 02:53:03.806
That's it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18834-0
02:53:05.026 --> 02:53:05.226
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18836-0
02:53:07.386 --> 02:53:07.976
Thank you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18838-0
02:53:10.386 --> 02:53:11.026
Sarah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18853-0
02:53:13.906 --> 02:53:19.246
I just went as far as the garden
is literally by the front door.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18849-0
02:53:17.916 --> 02:53:18.256
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18857-0
02:53:20.686 --> 02:53:21.516
I live in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18873-0
02:53:22.786 --> 02:53:26.279
Like, uh, a block of four is
like 8 minutes. Annette. So

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18873-1
02:53:26.279 --> 02:53:28.976
there's one up, one down, one
up, one down.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18875-0
02:53:29.786 --> 02:53:30.396
And.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18942-0
02:53:31.696 --> 02:53:34.774
I saw the workers have been
around, they've been around

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18942-1
02:53:34.774 --> 02:53:37.852
since December. They've
tarmacked, but they haven't put

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18942-2
02:53:37.852 --> 02:53:41.314
my plant pots back and I don't
wanna put them back because I'm

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18942-3
02:53:41.314 --> 02:53:44.282
not sure if they're still
working on this little wall

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18942-4
02:53:44.282 --> 02:53:47.635
redoing the bricks. So I was
looking at those plant pots and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18942-5
02:53:47.635 --> 02:53:50.712
I'm like, I can't, you know,
springs around the corner.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18942-6
02:53:50.712 --> 02:53:52.636
They're the only thing I I
really.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18951-0
02:53:53.736 --> 02:53:56.113
I'm not saying I don't like
where I live, so I'm grateful,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18951-1
02:53:56.113 --> 02:53:56.476
you know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18966-0
02:53:57.926 --> 02:54:01.646
I've lived privately. It's too
expensive. I'm grateful of the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18966-1
02:54:01.646 --> 02:54:02.666
Low Council rent.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18981-0
02:54:03.616 --> 02:54:07.154
Umm. And it took a long while to
get it and I know some people

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18981-1
02:54:07.154 --> 02:54:08.726
are not that fortunate, but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/18988-0
02:54:09.526 --> 02:54:12.186
It's not very aesthetic and
that's.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19046-0
02:54:13.346 --> 02:54:17.508
There's a small wall like a
brick wall and a here where the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19046-1
02:54:17.508 --> 02:54:21.738
drop is I've a neighbour died
next door, 2 doors up. She no,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19046-2
02:54:21.738 --> 02:54:26.108
she didn't die. She went to live
in a residential home because

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19046-3
02:54:26.108 --> 02:54:30.686
she kept falling and she allowed
me and another neighbor to share

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19046-4
02:54:30.686 --> 02:54:34.778
her plan. She gave them to us
and and they were beautiful.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19046-5
02:54:34.778 --> 02:54:36.096
They are beautiful.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19108-0
02:54:36.876 --> 02:54:40.182
That you know, whether beaten
now it's been winter, but come

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19108-1
02:54:40.182 --> 02:54:43.380
the spring they'll start and
then summer. It looks lovely.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19108-2
02:54:43.380 --> 02:54:46.415
It's that little bit of
sanctuary, but I was looking at

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19108-3
02:54:46.415 --> 02:54:49.993
them and it irritated me because
they haven't put them back and I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19108-4
02:54:49.993 --> 02:54:53.190
think they're finished. They
haven't been around for days,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19108-5
02:54:53.190 --> 02:54:56.497
that they're elsewhere doing
things in other blocks. And the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19108-6
02:54:56.497 --> 02:54:57.906
last time I put them back.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19134-0
02:54:58.676 --> 02:55:03.203
They move them again to do the
wall, so I just want them back

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19134-1
02:55:03.203 --> 02:55:07.730
nicely. There's they're they're
in really big terracotta pots

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19134-2
02:55:07.730 --> 02:55:10.066
and it reminded me of last year.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19147-0
02:55:10.756 --> 02:55:14.026
The man that lives in #8, we get
on but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19160-0
02:55:14.696 --> 02:55:18.274
He he he comes home from the
pub, really drunk. About 1:00,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19160-1
02:55:18.274 --> 02:55:19.646
o'clock in the morning.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19170-0
02:55:20.556 --> 02:55:24.676
And I found the plant pot, the
plant.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19179-0
02:55:25.586 --> 02:55:28.816
He'd taken it to his garden.
He'd stolen the plant.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19202-0
02:55:29.696 --> 02:55:32.506
This was last year and it was
such a beautiful plant and I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19202-1
02:55:32.506 --> 02:55:35.459
knocked the door and I said,
Richard, why have you done this?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19202-2
02:55:35.459 --> 02:55:37.936
And he admitted he said, I'm so
sorry. I was drunk.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19239-0
02:55:38.826 --> 02:55:42.427
So I said, OK, he said. But I'll
buy another plant pot for it,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19239-1
02:55:42.427 --> 02:55:45.800
cause the plant pot had had
smashed. I said just leave it,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19239-2
02:55:45.800 --> 02:55:48.601
I'll buy one. So I bought
another one. It wasn't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19239-3
02:55:48.601 --> 02:55:51.802
terracotta, it was like a
plastic version, but it was a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19239-4
02:55:51.802 --> 02:55:53.346
big one. It was still nice.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19314-0
02:55:54.176 --> 02:55:57.395
And I notice that they've split
it all on that one plant, that

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19314-1
02:55:57.395 --> 02:56:00.563
the most beautiful, it was Acer
plant and it's it's it's huge

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19314-2
02:56:00.563 --> 02:56:03.629
and it you know she's kept it
really well and she's I don't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19314-3
02:56:03.629 --> 02:56:06.848
know what I really not good at
planting but she's made it Bush

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19314-4
02:56:06.848 --> 02:56:09.863
out rather than go up and she
kept it so nice and she gave

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19314-5
02:56:09.863 --> 02:56:13.082
them to us and it was our little
bit of something so I've just

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19314-6
02:56:13.082 --> 02:56:15.126
noticed now that the plastic
plant pot.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19402-0
02:56:15.916 --> 02:56:19.432
They've split it so they must
have dropped it on the floor so

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19402-1
02:56:19.432 --> 02:56:22.949
that one plant has been argued
about being given with love. I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19402-2
02:56:22.949 --> 02:56:26.238
love it and then it's been
stolen and returned. It's it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19402-3
02:56:26.238 --> 02:56:29.868
hard read new plant part and now
they've smashed it and I don't

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19402-4
02:56:29.868 --> 02:56:33.497
know. And I can't wait for the
spring to come to see the leaves

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19402-5
02:56:33.497 --> 02:56:36.787
on it and if it can, you poor
thing, I'll buy you another

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19402-6
02:56:36.787 --> 02:56:40.190
plant pot. But what else is
gonna happen with it? You know,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19402-7
02:56:40.190 --> 02:56:43.536
just that one plant out of the
five, it's always that one.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19429-0
02:56:44.356 --> 02:56:47.238
Because it's so beautiful,
that's why. But yeah, that's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19429-1
02:56:47.238 --> 02:56:50.584
that's all as far as I got. Was
that plant, and it just reminded

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19429-2
02:56:50.584 --> 02:56:53.672
me of him drunk, which I can
laugh about it now. But at the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19429-3
02:56:53.672 --> 02:56:54.496
time, I thought.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19450-0
02:56:55.316 --> 02:56:58.341
You're rude, but he did
apologies. He actually admitted.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19450-1
02:56:58.341 --> 02:57:01.526
Yes, I did it. I'm. I'm sorry.
Because he couldn't deny it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19452-0
02:57:02.396 --> 02:57:02.846
The.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19458-0
02:57:03.666 --> 02:57:05.416
He he must have dropped it in.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19507-0
02:57:06.306 --> 02:57:10.220
#6 picked it back up and there
was all bits of terracotta like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19507-1
02:57:10.220 --> 02:57:13.948
like crumbs to his house, and
then the plant was there with

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19507-2
02:57:13.948 --> 02:57:17.800
the roots and the the soil like
spread out. So it was obvious

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19507-3
02:57:17.800 --> 02:57:21.900
that he had taken it and he said
I was drunk and I took it in the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19507-4
02:57:21.900 --> 02:57:25.566
night. You can take it back.
Well, I did take it back and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19513-0
02:57:26.226 --> 02:57:27.986
You know the poor plant.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19515-0
02:57:28.816 --> 02:57:29.566
Ah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19527-0
02:57:30.676 --> 02:57:33.636
That that, that's actually
really powerful narrative.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19526-0
02:57:34.166 --> 02:57:34.516
Hmm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19529-0
02:57:34.546 --> 02:57:35.346
Yeah, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19532-0
02:57:36.056 --> 02:57:36.456
He.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19538-0
02:57:37.446 --> 02:57:38.546
Yeah. Yeah, it was.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19536-0
02:57:37.606 --> 02:57:38.346
Yeah, that is.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19548-0
02:57:40.096 --> 02:57:42.736
It writes lots of memories for
me and and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19549-0
02:57:42.606 --> 02:57:42.946
No.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19569-0
02:57:44.526 --> 02:57:48.563
Living, I mean, I've got hardly
any neighbors here, but when we

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19569-1
02:57:48.563 --> 02:57:52.096
lived up on the councillor
statement, it was chaos and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19576-0
02:57:53.096 --> 02:57:54.856
Get people and that's two.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19579-0
02:57:55.536 --> 02:57:55.986
Only.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19586-0
02:57:56.056 --> 02:57:58.686
Yeah, living in each other's
pockets and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19585-0
02:57:57.846 --> 02:57:58.516
How's the?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19591-0
02:57:59.616 --> 02:57:59.936
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19632-0
02:57:59.656 --> 02:58:02.826
You're trying to get on and
sometimes you can scribble and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19632-1
02:58:02.826 --> 02:58:06.051
squabble and then come the
summer everybody's out the front

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19632-2
02:58:06.051 --> 02:58:09.382
and like, oh, I'm gonna have to
be kind and wave and then you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19632-3
02:58:09.382 --> 02:58:12.660
get talking and you forget your
past problems. But for us it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19632-4
02:58:12.660 --> 02:58:14.326
seems at the end of the summer.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19647-0
02:58:15.956 --> 02:58:19.986
That you know, he likes to drink
#8. We call him #8.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19667-0
02:58:21.346 --> 02:58:24.609
Richard, his name is Richard. I
actually got his phone number.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19667-1
02:58:24.609 --> 02:58:27.925
He phoned me yesterday, like, so
we're not like, archnemesis or

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19667-2
02:58:27.925 --> 02:58:29.116
nothing like that, but.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19749-0
02:58:29.896 --> 02:58:33.581
When he's drunk, he's he's a
different character and he can

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19749-1
02:58:33.581 --> 02:58:37.328
swear us outside. And he tells
us that he used to be a diver

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19749-2
02:58:37.328 --> 02:58:41.260
and he knows how to get rid of
bodies. And I'm like, OK, that's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19749-3
02:58:41.260 --> 02:58:45.068
a bit far and he's he's like 70
something. So you you have to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19703-0
02:58:41.566 --> 02:58:42.056
God.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19749-4
02:58:45.068 --> 02:58:48.999
like just say OK, alright if if
I ever get found in the world I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19749-5
02:58:48.999 --> 02:58:52.931
know who did it then I'll tell
my mother. But the next day he's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19749-6
02:58:52.931 --> 02:58:56.923
nice as pie but the he couldn't
deny stealing the plant and then

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19749-7
02:58:56.923 --> 02:59:00.486
yeah so come the winter then
everybody's in the house so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19760-0
02:59:00.586 --> 02:59:04.054
Some spring everybody's happy to
be outside against you. Start

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19760-1
02:59:04.054 --> 02:59:07.026
the whole. Hi. Hi. Hi. But the
end of summer, I will.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19769-0
02:59:07.836 --> 02:59:11.434
Friendships as neighbours has
gone down the pattern. It's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19769-1
02:59:11.434 --> 02:59:11.806
crazy.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19808-0
02:59:11.906 --> 02:59:16.696
Really interesting. So, so, so
tiny degree. You could actually

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19808-1
02:59:16.696 --> 02:59:20.649
open up the whole sort of
whether or feelings or in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19808-2
02:59:20.649 --> 02:59:25.287
reactions around hiring space
and the violation of space and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19793-0
02:59:21.236 --> 02:59:21.876
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19806-0
02:59:25.286 --> 02:59:25.916
That's it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19808-3
02:59:25.287 --> 02:59:26.656
and words and and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19825-0
02:59:28.426 --> 02:59:32.751
How how places is also the
people that you interact with in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19825-1
02:59:32.751 --> 02:59:33.616
a place and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19827-0
02:59:34.276 --> 02:59:34.636
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19838-0
02:59:35.376 --> 02:59:37.406
Treat it I think about.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19866-0
02:59:35.636 --> 02:59:39.367
Yeah, it's good to the, you
know, the symbolism of, like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19866-1
02:59:39.367 --> 02:59:43.426
losing the leaves and then the
new birds coming. And and it's

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19855-0
02:59:42.586 --> 02:59:43.136
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19866-2
02:59:43.426 --> 02:59:47.026
gonna flow of like seafood
Davies and not seeing them.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19869-0
02:59:47.196 --> 02:59:47.836
That's it.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19873-0
02:59:48.616 --> 02:59:49.696
That's quite interesting.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19878-0
02:59:50.256 --> 02:59:50.816
It's interesting.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19904-0
02:59:50.396 --> 02:59:53.294
I think it's it's own personal
space. You'd be more likely to

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19904-1
02:59:53.294 --> 02:59:56.145
go out in the garden in winter
or not, but because it's like

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19904-2
02:59:56.145 --> 02:59:58.436
this, it's really dry. The back
gardens, lovely.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19933-0
02:59:59.176 --> 03:00:03.202
But there's not much like you
can't access it #8 blocks the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19933-1
03:00:03.202 --> 03:00:07.229
side up with all his rubbish and
bloody ketter bins, and it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19933-2
03:00:07.229 --> 03:00:09.376
access for us all. And you, you.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19962-0
03:00:10.186 --> 03:00:12.959
If you argued about it all the
time, then it would just be

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19962-1
03:00:12.959 --> 03:00:15.780
you're arguing for no reason,
because he's just gonna do it

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19962-2
03:00:15.780 --> 03:00:18.036
anyway, and he's elderly. Leave
him to it. But.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19987-0
03:00:19.246 --> 03:00:21.923
There is a nice garden and
there's lots of like big trees

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19987-1
03:00:21.923 --> 03:00:24.646
and it's quite a big communal
back garden, but it's such a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/19987-2
03:00:24.646 --> 03:00:26.446
contrast to the front, it's just
like.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20028-0
03:00:27.086 --> 03:00:31.183
It's a concrete jungle with like
there's metal fences, is like a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20028-1
03:00:31.183 --> 03:00:35.218
jail, it really is. But I also
know if I needed something, if I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20028-2
03:00:35.218 --> 03:00:39.126
needed help like that, I could
call that Richard and he would

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20028-3
03:00:39.126 --> 03:00:42.026
help me as well. You know, it's
it's strange.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20041-0
03:00:41.376 --> 03:00:45.786
Interesting. Yeah, I think what
cycle is kind of psychogeography

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20041-1
03:00:45.786 --> 03:00:48.296
practice does it, it really
reveals.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20096-0
03:00:51.096 --> 03:00:55.844
It's like press, the sort of
died, not power dynamics in a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20057-0
03:00:55.336 --> 03:00:55.726
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20096-1
03:00:55.844 --> 03:01:00.673
place and the how the space
itself can create injustices or

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20096-2
03:01:00.673 --> 03:01:05.341
can overcome them and create
communality. And that's very

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20077-0
03:01:04.416 --> 03:01:04.816
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20096-3
03:01:05.341 --> 03:01:10.008
much. It's sort of political
dimension, but as a tool for

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20096-4
03:01:10.008 --> 03:01:12.986
perhaps exploring place and
context.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20101-0
03:01:15.656 --> 03:01:17.186
Teams, if you like, of of of.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20110-0
03:01:17.466 --> 03:01:21.236
I'm so fact. What human behavior
and human interaction.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20139-0
03:01:23.476 --> 03:01:27.828
I think you will put. You've
been right about absolutely

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20139-1
03:01:27.828 --> 03:01:32.866
shows up that characteristic and
it's another writing tool really

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20127-0
03:01:29.446 --> 03:01:29.966
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20139-2
03:01:32.866 --> 03:01:33.706
no problem.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20138-0
03:01:33.156 --> 03:01:33.816
Definitely.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20154-0
03:01:35.106 --> 03:01:39.383
OK everyone, I'm going to wind
it up there. We've lost non and

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20154-1
03:01:39.383 --> 03:01:40.876
Claire, unfortunately.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20193-0
03:01:42.316 --> 03:01:46.470
Wasn't there to hear the
exercise, which is my fault. I

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20193-1
03:01:46.470 --> 03:01:51.367
apologize. I didn't pick up your
note chat, but anyway, I'm going

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20193-2
03:01:51.367 --> 03:01:55.818
to give you some work for when
we meet up for our workshop,

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20193-3
03:01:55.818 --> 03:02:00.566
which is just gonna be a writing
workshop next time. So either.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20201-0
03:02:02.266 --> 03:02:04.976
Develop what you've started in
your drive.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20204-0
03:02:05.776 --> 03:02:06.466
Ohh.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20207-0
03:02:08.406 --> 03:02:08.996
Right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20223-0
03:02:10.676 --> 03:02:16.967
A piece based on a journey that
you've made recently or in the

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20223-1
03:02:16.967 --> 03:02:17.466
past.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20235-0
03:02:18.586 --> 03:02:23.216
But that's about exploring self
and place at the same time.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20241-0
03:02:24.266 --> 03:02:26.356
Rather like Pan Petro was doing.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20256-0
03:02:27.226 --> 03:02:31.905
OK, I'll send these in an e-mail
as well so that you've got it in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20256-1
03:02:31.905 --> 03:02:32.756
writing and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20273-0
03:02:33.936 --> 03:02:39.247
Minimum 500 words maximum 1000
that's would be sharing these

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20273-1
03:02:39.247 --> 03:02:41.076
each other next week.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20275-0
03:02:42.056 --> 03:02:42.536
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20282-0
03:02:45.296 --> 03:02:47.126
OK. Is everyone clear?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20278-0
03:02:45.366 --> 03:02:45.666
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20284-0
03:02:48.036 --> 03:02:48.436
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20289-0
03:02:48.656 --> 03:02:49.196
Yep.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20302-0
03:02:48.796 --> 03:02:52.546
Did we finalise what time we
were going to start next week?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20294-0
03:02:49.166 --> 03:02:49.576
That's right.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20353-0
03:02:52.526 --> 03:02:56.942
Yes, 11:00 o'clock and it's it's
the arts will seven if for any

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20315-0
03:02:53.946 --> 03:02:55.216
It's 11, right? OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20353-1
03:02:56.942 --> 03:03:01.151
reason we if we get terrible
weather we'll revert to online.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20353-2
03:03:01.151 --> 03:03:04.946
I think it's going to be OK but
I wouldn't want anyone

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20361-0
03:03:04.796 --> 03:03:06.846
It'll be glorious. I don't know.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20351-0
03:03:04.916 --> 03:03:05.466
OK so.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20353-3
03:03:04.946 --> 03:03:05.636
traveling.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20368-0
03:03:06.266 --> 03:03:08.976
We're we're in London tonight.
Next week in person.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20365-0
03:03:06.546 --> 03:03:07.056
Yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20375-0
03:03:09.156 --> 03:03:10.906
Yeah, that's the plan, yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20384-0
03:03:10.716 --> 03:03:12.416
OK, see lovely and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20386-0
03:03:11.706 --> 03:03:13.396
Are certain numbers, yes.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20405-0
03:03:14.746 --> 03:03:18.214
I think, Joe, you had some plan
of everyone's maybe meeting in

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20405-1
03:03:18.214 --> 03:03:20.636
1822 first, but I'll leave that
to you too.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20418-0
03:03:21.416 --> 03:03:22.966
Organization want to, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20436-0
03:03:21.596 --> 03:03:26.769
Yeah, yeah. If if you wanna meet
up for a for a coffee beforehand

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20436-1
03:03:26.769 --> 03:03:30.766
and and walk to the to the
classroom, that's fine.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20430-0
03:03:27.346 --> 03:03:27.716
Hmm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20445-0
03:03:31.596 --> 03:03:33.546
So I sort of know where I'm
going.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20456-0
03:03:36.196 --> 03:03:37.636
Yeah, pretty clean.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20465-0
03:03:36.926 --> 03:03:38.776
If I get there in time with you
then.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20463-0
03:03:37.756 --> 03:03:38.436
I think it was.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20478-0
03:03:40.196 --> 03:03:41.776
It's very close to making 20.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20487-0
03:03:40.446 --> 03:03:44.402
Isn't there somebody else in
this group that's not here

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20487-1
03:03:44.402 --> 03:03:44.826
today?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20505-0
03:03:44.956 --> 03:03:48.606
Yes, Maria, I don't know what
happened to Maria and.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20525-0
03:03:46.036 --> 03:03:49.180
That was Maria, right? OK,
because she seems quite

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20525-1
03:03:49.180 --> 03:03:52.940
concerned about where she was
going. So I thought I'd made a

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20525-2
03:03:52.940 --> 03:03:53.926
vague plan with.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20524-0
03:03:53.426 --> 03:03:54.006
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20545-0
03:03:54.926 --> 03:03:58.172
Let me in the cafe so that
that's fine. I'll be there.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20545-1
03:03:58.172 --> 03:04:00.296
That's sort of half an hour
before.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20554-0
03:03:58.446 --> 03:04:02.556
Alright, lovely. OK. Yeah. And
obviously, if anything comes up.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20561-0
03:04:01.346 --> 03:04:04.946
You all know you've got register
your cars, the car park here.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20563-0
03:04:06.076 --> 03:04:06.536
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20570-0
03:04:09.156 --> 03:04:09.636
Yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20587-0
03:04:09.386 --> 03:04:12.191
I don't know what it's gonna be
open because there's still.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20575-0
03:04:09.396 --> 03:04:10.246
Really ohg.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20587-1
03:04:12.191 --> 03:04:14.436
There's still working. There's
no heat in them.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20599-0
03:04:15.196 --> 03:04:18.466
Computer at the moment so still
working on the gas mains.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20601-0
03:04:19.246 --> 03:04:19.626
I'm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20608-0
03:04:21.356 --> 03:04:21.996
Typical.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20614-0
03:04:21.466 --> 03:04:23.416
But bring a card to them if it's
cold.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20616-0
03:04:24.646 --> 03:04:25.186
Umm.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20620-0
03:04:28.466 --> 03:04:29.646
What was the balls?

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20629-0
03:04:30.576 --> 03:04:31.656
I'll say, yeah, yeah.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20644-0
03:04:30.656 --> 03:04:34.701
Hi everybody. Thanks very much.
I well done today and obviously

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20644-1
03:04:34.701 --> 03:04:37.546
if you've got any questions in
the meantime.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20663-0
03:04:38.386 --> 03:04:41.975
Kind of thing comes up. You can
e-mail me. If not, I'll see you

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20663-1
03:04:41.975 --> 03:04:44.386
answer him seven next week.
11:00 o'clock.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20662-0
03:04:44.046 --> 03:04:44.266
OK.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20674-0
03:04:45.296 --> 03:04:45.546
They.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20682-0
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OK, alright.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20690-0
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I have a good week. Bye bye.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20673-0
03:04:45.446 --> 03:04:46.426
Thank you. Bye.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20681-0
03:04:45.866 --> 03:04:47.286
Thank you. Bye.

dfcfee6c-6648-468f-933c-d6cfc9332eb7/20689-0
03:04:48.616 --> 03:04:49.056
Well.