Connor Schofield  
But basically, well actually, how are you?

Chris Duncan (The Orchard)  
I'm good. Thanks. Yeah, I'm excited for Christmas. We're just going to do my mates house. We're gonna have a little bubble. So it'll be cool to do like friends Christmas rolls and a family Christmas ones.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
How are you?

Unknown Speaker  
I'm good with. We don't know what we're doing for Christmas, but I would I kind of like the idea of staying here.

Unknown Speaker  
And yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, doing whatever happens and kind of just experiencing it in this different way for once,

Unknown Speaker  
not mixing it up.

Unknown Speaker  
I feel like if I go home, it will be like normal, but a bit worse. Yeah, exactly.

Unknown Speaker  
Whereas if I stay here, it will be different and good.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah. It is. Every other Christmas to come as well. We can see family and stuff. So.

Unknown Speaker  
Um,

Unknown Speaker  
so yeah, I'm doing a, I'm gonna do a presentation about. So the bigger picture, my main assignment was producing three tracks. And then writing about that. And then I've got I've now chose one of those tracks. And I've got to talk about what I would do if I was going to market it as a single with a 500 pound budget. Yeah. So it's kind of an artist from scratch kind of thing.

Unknown Speaker  
So it's one single.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
So in the budget, is it the first single body honest? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  
I mean, so it's a, I've recorded another vocalist. And it's not their first single, but I'm going to treat it as a bit of both because they've got a little bit of a follow in and but I'm going to approach it as if they kind of they, they haven't. Like it is a brand new artist, so but I am blurring the lines a little bit with things like they've already got, like a press kit and stuff. So I'm just gonna use that rather than make one from scratch than ever. But I mean, at the minute, my kind of initial plan is basically what I did with the more fire stuff, which was set up the digital distribution through detto. researched and reached out to like, a lot of blogs and magazines and stuff. Did a T shirt competition. But that was it really. And I made that cost me the cost of the T shirts. Sure. I was just wondering, from, from your experience, what kind of thing you would do from a manager point of view and from like, a label services point of view.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, so obviously, yeah, if I haven't quit isn't a lot. Now he won't go very far. But like you say, it's all about being DIY and kind of making use of tools that you can make, it's costing you time based on costing you money. So So yeah, like you say, researching blogs and reaching out to those people, just using connections that you already have. And just just trying to tell us all basically is is the best thing and then in terms of like the paid for stuff. I've seen a couple of really good examples of I've kind of like thinking about things a little bit differently like I've seen people on panels say like, you know, pose a question have you have family quit or 250 quid for an artist what would your marketing budget go on? And and one of the most interesting ones I thought was someone with a pally said, Get get really good smartphone, because then you can that's gonna throw you out for your socials and stuff. And you can content on it, which is kind of like a different way of looking at things and obviously, most artists will have a good smartphone because, you know, people generally do these days, but I thought that was kind of an interesting angle. It was like, well, the best way to spend the money is by giving them something that they can use to speak to the fans, for sure. Um, I would definitely sorry, gone.

Unknown Speaker  
I just had an interesting conversation with Becky from Sonic PR about how with I just was interested in how sort of regional and sort of like, national PR are different. And especially for a new artist, and he was just interested in the kind of the discussion we had about, like, the, the younger people that are aspiring journalists and aspiring kind of writers will become fans by having the opportunity to interview a band or, or an apt, you know, and and they actually be more worthwhile at an early stage to just do local PR, like a more. Yeah. And like stewed like more aimed at like students rather than a big kind of just go in his, here's all my money, can you get us in the enemy or whatever? Yeah, I just

Unknown Speaker  
know, that also makes a lot of sense. And, and also the moment is quite interesting is, is partly down to COVID. And partly down to, I guess, slightly changing trends in the global music landscape. But the music that people listen to in the UK is kind of big, and in most countries around the world is now becoming a little bit more domestic, which is interesting. And obviously, COVID has a part to play there because international Bantam meal tutorial here, so it's been harder to break them. So, I mean, it's not hugely relevant to what we're talking about. But I think that's quite interesting. Because obviously, we live in such a globalised world now. And where, you know, people like BTS can top the charts singing in Korean. But at the same time, we've now we're now kind of like listening to a lot more of our own music. And also, I think Spotify playlists have become a bit more market friendly as well. I think. If you're UK artists, you're far more likely to get just get any UK playlist, then elsewhere, whereas previously, it was like the Wild West. And, you know, obviously, Jules had those playlists in Mexico, which did really well.

Unknown Speaker  
Like new music Fridays. Were in like every country that is a UK, a French one. You know, you name it. There's one for every country. I didn't even know that until recently. Yeah, I even got me thinking back to. I mean, you've probably sent me emails in the past about like, Oh, can you share this Spotify link? Because at the time, Spotify wasn't what it was now? Yeah, me being like, I don't care if I'm on the music Friday, though. My SoundCloud got 200,000 streams, that's what really matters.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I've got a little folder in my Spotify with all the new music Fridays globally. Although it might be a little bit out of date. Now. Actually, I'm not sure I've got because they just launched in like Russia and places like that.

Unknown Speaker  
So that's my, that's George's most growth this year. biggest growth is in Russia. Yeah, it makes sense. Because there's a big music market. Historically, it's just been

Unknown Speaker  
a lot of piracy. And, you know, people using free services. But now, Apple Music has been there for a while. And now obviously, Spotify is there. So, I mean, the revenue from those markets is going to be lower because the users they're paying less. Yeah. But it's still, you know, obviously good to build more fans and, you know, merge orders from there and stuff. And obviously, tooling can be quite lucrative if you get quite big in Russia.

Unknown Speaker  
And

Unknown Speaker  
be but yeah, and then I've been trying to dig out. See, you know, do you know Simon? centric? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he used to do a blog, which was? Oh, yeah, here we go. Ask the music industry. What you do with emerging artists, if you had a grant to spend, so it's slightly different to your project, but obviously, on the same lines, let me send you the link now.

Unknown Speaker  
That CenturyLink

Unknown Speaker  
is it on CD? Yeah. Um, so I don't know if you've seen that already.

Unknown Speaker  
Now, I've not really done any. This has been a little bit. Not it's not been tricky at all, but just say, I've got a lot of my own experience, and I'm kind of referencing backwards. Yeah, in terms of like, this is what I would do. And then I kind of know that all of that information is already on the internet and I can just google a sentence, send it somewhere. Someone will be saying that on the internet somewhere. Yeah, I can just go now they said it not me. Yeah, exactly. But no, this looks quite a few opinions here.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah. And they've he actually did it. He's done it every year. I think I don't think he's done one this year. But I can ask him about it. But I agree. Yes, it's an interesting one, because I think everyone comes at this question from a different point of view. Because obviously, the different people here all have different kind of experiences, the music industry, so they all have different views on what they think is most important. So the BBC presenter is saying, you have to spend two grand on, you know, rehearsal room time transport petrol. Things to play a gig. So there's, there's many ways of approaching it. I think.

Unknown Speaker  
That's something I was gonna ask you actually, is because because life is kind of out of the picture at the minute is, what have you. Have you seen anything that side knows to bleed? Like, quite creative and interesting, as I can alternative this year? Is there anything that's kind of like, you've gone on which I thought that first so? Um, it doesn't even have to be a live performance. It can be any kind of like, market kind of thing.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, there's always there's always things that pop up. I mean, I think early on in lockdown, obviously, everyone got really saturated with like crappy live streams. Yeah. So I'm glad you guys held off and you're actually doing a proper proper livestream. The real deal? Exactly, because no one like no one's to watch a you know, someone with an acoustic guitar on is a really, really shitty quality, like Instagram Live content. I mean, it's just not interesting.

Unknown Speaker  
So, it is a bit crappy, isn't it? Yeah, it was it. I mean, I wouldn't if Radiohead did one. I'd love that. But yeah, when it's over saturate with everyone, like literally every level of bands doing.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, it's like, I think we both have quite a short list of eyes that we watch this for. But yeah. I mean, this is kind of obvious. But Tick Tock is now probably the biggest source of discovery from music world, which is a little bit scary. It now has more users than YouTube on a monthly basis, which I find insane. And, but one thing I've noticed with that is, while you can have a ham Tech Talk, it doesn't necessarily translate into fans.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah. But I can go viral for a minute. It does translate screams which translate funny. Yeah, he definitely does. fancies longevity. But viral.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, exactly. So tell me a bit more about what the music is like and this track that you've made is it it's it's the laser rap song

Unknown Speaker  
It's like can you and style production the vocalist is a guy from Birmingham quite good friends with he's got an old like alright local following. He's quite in with like the Birmingham Music Awards a lot of people and gets support from like introducing and stuff but hasn't really got any national kind of rate chattel. Right yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
I mean, obviously, you know, upload it to amazing and bcgs thing and all that stuff.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah. Defending or anything like that?

Unknown Speaker  
Um, not an uploader. No, but john kennedy is very open to playing new bands. I don't think he's dying to black music. But uh, yeah, I think creating a good DIY video would be important in rap

Unknown Speaker  
that's a good shout actually have over 40 in a video.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah. That's that's just like shooting it yourself for

Unknown Speaker  
some time. Okay. Well, the thing the thing with this artist which is quite good is that he's, he's got background in like contemporary dance and like performing already.

Unknown Speaker  
Oh wicked.

Unknown Speaker  
So there is there is like a He's a bit of character. Anyway. So I think they translated in the right way for like a tick tock audience or for just like, whatever his artist voice is going to be his personality. Like, if it can be filmed in the right way and so clear, you could definitely.

Unknown Speaker  
I mean, yeah, I

Unknown Speaker  
mean, he's, he's one of the I'll send you a link to his music, because he's one of these, you probably see it all the time where you get these localised what kind of kind of self proclaimed thing they know what everything and know what they're doing, but on like, sort of your someone, like your level, will look at it and just be like, everything is wrong. There's like, there's good things in place, but it's just all in the wrong place. Yeah, it releases loads of music, loads of videos, loads of, but it's not necessarily ever planned with any kind of bigger goal or strategy. Yeah. Yeah. That's it, but it's definitely good enough. It's, it's a, it's a funny, just funny sometimes how, how artists get lost in that spiral. And think that the right thing to do is they keep releasing music?

Unknown Speaker  
Yes, I mean, sometimes less is more, because I always use it a few hours, like, if you pop music, because you think, Well, you know, if we put some more music out, we'll get, we get more streams. And if you think it's that simple, then I always think about it as a fan. Like if a band that I like, when they release a song, I don't think it's very good, that I'm much less inclined to listen to them the next time around. Yeah. And obviously, if there's two or three tracks, which, you know, aren't, you know, as good as they can be, then you could have just lost the fan just because you've released too much music, whereas if he didn't release any music in that time, I might still be listening to the older stuff. So yeah, I would say, in his case, maybe release less music. And then obviously, you can put more money into each track. Yeah, increase the amount of content that you're putting out on like, tick tock, and giving more, more of a shiny more of a light on to the music viewers already. and stuff like that. And building of your personality to your, to your fans, I think that would be a better way of doing it than just tricking loads of shit against the wall. and hoping to win.

Unknown Speaker  
Oh, I always feel like I've met this. I've known a couple of artists through the years where it's like, if, if I was a manager, and sort of got put in charge of these bands, it would be like, right, forget that you've released anything. Yeah. What? What are your best five songs? I know, you've released like 20 songs in the last three years. But what are the best five? And we'll sort of start? Yeah, there's five. Like, what? That's what I've always fought was that some of these these bands, the use of a band when I was at school, who were like some of the older kids, and I thought they were great, but and then when jaws started to get big, there was a little bit of like resentment, because they, they were doing gigs and they were supposedly doing the right thing. And then we've just like, and yeah, it's just a bit weird. And I just used to think, well, it's because you're just releasing a song every night all the time. Yeah. It's just not it's just not.

Unknown Speaker  
It's it also is the same with like setlist and stuff, I think as well, because I think I don't think it happens as much now. But I know back in the day, a lot of lob X would just kind of forget about their old stuff and just play the new album. I remember seeing Bryce once. And it was about a week before his new album came out. And I reckon the album probably got pushed back because they probably wouldn't have scheduled a gig week before. And you play the entire new album, which obviously no one had heard. Yeah. And then he played like, two old songs, and I was there. And he was like, 30 quid a ticket or something ridiculous. When you think he will, I might get into the BIOS show. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  
it's weird, isn't it? We've always I think the reason jaws jaws has had like some longevity with playing live is the fact that we still play our first EP pretty much named two songs like

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, and it's and it's not even that it's better than the new stuff. It's more just the case of your fans have kind of grown up with you. Yeah, and they associate those early songs with, you know, really get into music and all that stuff. So they're gonna have like a much bigger in the style to kind of like thing for those new songs. It's just naturally,

Unknown Speaker  
it's very it's been weird, like, and back to what we've just seen as well with, with jaws. Like, we're not, we're not really spoken about it. But in my head of, there's a bit of a battle that's like, do we work? Do we do another album? And do the whole process? Or do we just release singles? And then maybe it's an EP at the end? Or because streaming is now this thing? That's like, I mean, we stream All right, so we probably earn a bit of money off doing it that way, but for a new artist is a completely different thing, isn't it? So, for a new artist, you probably do one. Like an EP or mixtape or something, that's what everyone seems to be doing these days. You know, that's, like, an end goal for that first year or something. Don't do this. It's gonna build the snowball.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, totally, I think, I think when it comes to albums, I think, obviously, in the olden days, it was like, You release a couple of singles, then you release an album. But now that process takes a lot longer. Like you say, it's all about working towards maybe like an EP and slowly building because there's a lot of things we said for the album format stone is mostly just because people like to have something like a tentpole to, like, hang everything around. The like, press, for example, is gonna be more interested if there's a full album, rather than just a single. It also kind of like, I think people like start and end points to things as well. And if you just have a constant stream of singles coming out, then people don't really see what you're working towards. And it's quite hard to do a caring campaign. If, every single day another part of the album is obviously the, the artwork and the creative and everything. And if you're just gonna be releasing singles, and I think you end up with quite, it can be quite a messy vision, because it's always gonna be evolving. So

Unknown Speaker  
I've got carry on.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, I think for, for Jaws, I think it would, I would probably say, do an album. But I mean, there's obviously counter arguments to that as well. Like, it's obviously more expensive to, to pull that together. All the songs might not necessarily get the same amount of eyeballs as ones they're released individually, just because, you know, if you're drip feeding everything, then people obviously hear more of the songs if they're not gonna listen all the way through to the through the album. But obviously, you could you could just release every song of the album, and just read into it that

Unknown Speaker  
way. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  
I mean, is. There's so many ways of doing it. There's no really right or wrong ways. It's just just kind of different ways. This,

Unknown Speaker  
I think, Well, yeah. We we said this exact point in, in a conversation I had earlier is this is such a, I mean, most things in the music industry are there's no necessarily right or wrong way of doing anything. And there's ways that you would, you would say are like 100% the wrong way that have been successful. So it's, it's, I don't, I don't really know what I'm being tested on here. If you get what I mean, because it's like, there's no wrong answer. Yeah, I could do I could, I could just go right. I'm gonna put 500 pound on Facebook adverts. Yeah. Which is essentially what the homeowner did. Yeah. on a bigger scale, and I mean, it was alright, until they managed to run off with all their money. Yeah, I've been I've heard a lot about this guy, because our sound engineer is now the owner sound engineer. Oh, well. And he he obviously, when he told us we were just like, lol, that's funny. But then he sort of fight in his corner really, like defended them and sort of told the story and we did a show with them in September, at that arena in Newcastle, and they were all right, to be fair, like they came and said hello and everything but yeah, just one of those bands that think they're in 1980 still.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, I mean, I I think that they're not very they're not very good band. But

Unknown Speaker  
yeah, what they managed to did was mental. Yeah. I going back to the point about Facebook ads, I think if we go

Unknown Speaker  
out about Sorry to interrupt you again. I was just gonna say maybe as a separate question. Cuz you know a bit more about this than me, even though I'm probably better off asking someone like Dan or yeah, I forgot his name. The other guy, Sam. Is it Sam? He did. His first record was our last record, I think oh, no, jack jack, I see. Yeah. But yeah, just like the value of the sort of the Do you? Do you believe in them? Almost?

Unknown Speaker  
Well,

Unknown Speaker  
I think I kind of view it as a bit of a necessary evil. Because obviously Facebook is a pre share company. And not when there's on the side of artists. And obviously the old Instagram as well.

Unknown Speaker  
But

Unknown Speaker  
the problem is the reach, and you need to reach your fans, no matter how small your fan bases. Yeah. And if you're talking about reaching a small number of people like when you're just starting out, it's really quite expensive to, to market on that. So that that is a positive. Even if you're just spending 2030 4050 quid of that fairly quick budget, you would probably see the results go quite a long way. Yeah. And you probably, it probably wouldn't be about fan acquisition, it would be more about generating awareness. So people see the name, etc. Yeah, also, like solidifying those people who, you know, have heard the song already. And they're like, Oh, shit, yeah, I like that song. And then they follow. It's not engaging or not. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  
that's a good point, that it's more about awareness. And rather than me fans, because I never considered that. It is just those apps limiting your reach, so that you have to almost pay for it, basically, rather than I mean, obviously, I guess the more money you put in, you can gain funds. But yeah, you can get it to spread as far as you want, depending on the budget. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
And, and the other thing is, when you're when it's early on, you can't you don't really want to be selling to these people, either. So it's gonna be more a message about like, his stuff, check it out. Yeah, obviously, when you're around like Jaws, you would be kind of taken the opposite angle where it's like, the advertising is to, is to sell stuff to people. Because you've already got an established audience, we have loads of data on you. You've got a fan base, and you sell tickets so so yeah, it's there's different kind of purposes for for the advertising as well. This is an you have AdWords become a lot more interesting if you have really good content to use in there as well. So this is a DIY video, then you could then use the video of like the dancing. Yeah. And so even if people aren't listening, because most people view Facebook ads and Instagram ads without the audio, well, obviously they'll always be looking at them. So if you have something visually interesting to hook people in, then that makes quite a big difference rather than just having like, you know, the pack shop and saying check out our new single. Yeah, not as not as exciting.

Unknown Speaker  
Sure.

Unknown Speaker  
Definitely. forgot what I was going to say that. But that is foresight to say and I've just completely forgot. Sorry. Just because I was writing down as you were saying things even recording this anyway. But for some it really a good point. I forgot.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, happens. All right.

Unknown Speaker  
So maybe

Unknown Speaker  
he'll come back you.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, I've been doing I've been doing this all day. My hand in is on on Friday. So it's really like, I've been like kind of working on it for a few weeks. But then now it's kind of like ah shit. It's crunch time. So nice. Um, I'll send you some of the songs have done because

Unknown Speaker  
yeah. Please do.

Unknown Speaker  
One of them is a more fire song. And then another one is a song of wrote wrote with you know Bessie Turner. Oh yeah, you heard of her she started doing some writing with her I would really really well so but she's not signed anymore but hopefully my songs can get her side

Unknown Speaker  
Fingers crossed we might who's it you were going to write with again when you saw when the train?

Unknown Speaker  
Oh Joey Maxwell? Oh, yeah, yeah, he's I really like him He's good. You know, quite interested in like sound it's kind of like not indie and not rap or not pop, but at the same time it's all free

Unknown Speaker  
yes you can tell him somebody who's grown up in like the streaming generation? Yeah, because you're not just tied to one drummer so it's just like just mix everything

Unknown Speaker  
in an independent code the code Indigo husk

Unknown Speaker  
why name

Unknown Speaker  
but I remember they maybe it was just an email that they sent to jaws but I remember their name. So I don't know if they played with us or something but I remember that name. Maybe that same reaction as you I said what in the heck?

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, probably. Yeah, I saw Jerry play last year at slaughtered lamb. I

Unknown Speaker  
think it was okay.

Unknown Speaker  
I thought it was really good then.

Unknown Speaker  
I've been chatting to Sam, his manager from Reagan. Oh, yeah. Sounds Sounds cool guy. Because he's he's set up a label. And he is he really likes more fire. Now we go with hopefully he's putting together some kind of proposal for me. But yeah, I've just not had the enthusiasm. Since I did I did the two tracks and then was just kind of like, out so much hard work to do itself. And it didn't really like pay off. So it's just a bit like

Unknown Speaker  
it's tough, man. But I really race him. I think he's a he's really smart. And yeah, he's good guy.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, man. I had to had a phone call with him last week. And I'm pretty sure I've probably met him before as well. Because I know. Julian quite well.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  
great goodness. Oh, because he he, I think I can't remember if they wanted to sign yours. Or if they wanted to do our publishing or something. But for some reason. They were just always talking to my dad about one thing or another. So yeah. Oh, it's because they the guy that there used to be a guy called Paul. Well, still is a guy called Paul. And we played it his 50th birthday. And it was something to do he's something to do with radio and maybe where they get their money from. Right. And yeah,

Unknown Speaker  
flows this way. They got me doing asking for money.

Unknown Speaker  
Nobody, please. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
That's maybe most of what I needed to ask you. Really? Yeah, it's just about small budgets and stuff. I don't know if there's any any kind of off the top of your head. It doesn't even have to be on this year. If there's anything like that. How could a bike that you can think of just any weird kind of tiare things I can remember somebody in my class told me that Nine Inch Nails used to leave USB sticks in the toilets of venues on this was on a UK tour. This was my teacher told me a story. Even the Nine Inch Nails of Bristol Academy and they found a USB stick in the toilet with like a piece of music on and then like at another show someone else found a USB stick with a piece of music on and the they worked out that if you played the two pieces of music over the top of each other, and only Trent Trent Reznor could think of this is that they were out of phase with each other. So they cancel each other out and they just play the message instead, and he was just like, that's genius, but apparently there was never any like, campaign for it or anything. It was just him fucking with people. He probably doesn't even know that people work that

Unknown Speaker  
out. Yeah, probably not.

Unknown Speaker  
But I thought that was that was crazy as genius stuff like that and if you know any stories either

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, I probably do but it might be stuck in the back of my brain.

Unknown Speaker  
Or if you've seen anything like on like an album bundle that's just like a really unique part of it or something.

Unknown Speaker  
I've seen people I seen a couple of eyes do like their own hot sauce. Okay, I wonder whether album if people have been beers before, it's like signature brew.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
I mean, a lot of it is also obviously related to like, the subject to the album.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah. Well,

Unknown Speaker  
I have a track so yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
Don't a milkshake with the milkshake EP. Really? Yeah. We've repressed that ever again. We could do something like that. That'd be really fun.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, we'll have like, maybe hoping a milkshake stand in. Birmingham season.

Unknown Speaker  
Exactly. That'd be sick.

Unknown Speaker  
You'd have to get those glasses, though. By the San Diego is? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be serving the milkshakes.

Unknown Speaker  
No, of course not. You imagine your dad would be?

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, see my dad and Eddie. I'll be at home. I'll be in my mansion. With all the streaming money. in cash. I want it all in cash from now on. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
Wells. wells were seen it was cool.

Unknown Speaker  
Is there anything you can think of that? Because obviously, 500 pound isn't a lot. And to launch a new artist. You're probably not going to see much of that back. But in what ways? Can you make money back at this at that early stage? I mean, apart from selling merge.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, I mean, he's saying merge. It's, I mean, this is probably cheating a bit, but you could say

Unknown Speaker  
if you're able to get like a brand partnership involved, so like, say, a brand is able to pay for a video. Or they want to use your music on like a public campaign. So yeah, that could be like a sink could be a sink on TV, or movies or something like that. If you if we're, if we're assuming everything is hunky dory with the world then live you can make make a bit of money out of Yeah, but not a lot.

Unknown Speaker  
Also, with like, just performing industry?

Unknown Speaker  
busking? Yeah, my time I'll make some unis to these to do that. Loads actually needs to make quite a lot of money. But they were mostly just playing like jasmine.

Unknown Speaker  
You do every so often, you get those viral videos on Facebook. And it's just like, look at this guy have an amazing voice or something. Yeah. And on off. There's an artist as well as like a producer. You know, kind of like, how you get these artists that it's just them on the stage. And they've got loads of drum pads and stuff all around them. I saw a video of a busker doing that. And I forgot who it was, but they were actually like quite an established name. Oh, cool.

Unknown Speaker  
But I remember seeing one of like, one of the world's best like violinists was playing in a subway station worker. Yeah. And they bet is basically a stun. And people were just like walking past it without even noticing her. Because they just thought she was like, well, busca and then like, some people did stay like watch. And then they're like, they you know, she's like, the best violin player in the world. When one of the things just popped into my head, actually, and this is something that could could really work for jaws actually is Patreon or Patreon?

Unknown Speaker  
Oh, yeah.

Unknown Speaker  
Because I think that kind of thing for like, especially for bands because streaming tends to be really quite shit for bands these days. is a good way of getting getting paid. It's basically you'll have some people subscribe to you. And they'll give you a monthly sum of money usually quite low, usually like three or four quid but often as much as 50 quid, depending on how big stairs and how mental FM's are, yeah. And then they just give them exclusive stuff. So like videos, blog posts, they send out merge to them. And so, you know, dicicco, who I work with wrench kits, they set one up. And I think they'd be doing pretty well out of it. So what they've been doing is, yeah, those like 458 50 or 17 quid a month. Yeah. See what 90 patrons at the moment, so it's making just over seven quid a month. spare the kick in the nuts? Yeah, and they'll they'll send out like, an enamel pin,

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